Creation

I would like to discuss what the Bible says about creation in comparison to what Science says about creation.Since my arguments will be based on the Bible this will need to be placed in the Bible Study.I would like to discuss one point at the time starting with creation according to what the Bible has recorded in it.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.This verse tells us that "In the beginning" is when the heaven and the earth was created.YEC's tell us that was 6 to 10 thousand years ago.Science tells us that was 13.4 to 20 billion years in the past. Some scientist have shortened the time to 8 billion years in the past.The Bible does not say when the beginning was, just that it was. There is no verse in the Bible that says when the beginning was.Therefore the universe could have began to exist at any point in past duration.Thus the Bible and science agrees that the universe began to exist and it is old.Once we have discussed what the bible says about the beginning to exist of the universe and the scientific view we can move on to how God might have accomplished that event.God Bless,

Hi Cat Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning.So where is the problem?The earth we live on today had to have many growing events during it's duration in existence to get to the size it is now with all the buried materials to form the fossil fuels that are in the earth.God Bless,

Hi jar, Why is it false? And why is it impossible which you seem to believe?Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,This text says they were created in one light period.When you consider God's definition of a day it is entirely possible.Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.A light period is God's definition of a day. Regardless of the duration of that light period.God Bless,

Hi Cat, Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,A creation event that took place during a light period which is God's definition of day. At any point in that light period the heavens could have began to exist. Also at any point in that light period the earth could have began to exist as that light period is when both began to exist. No, but none of those events have taken place in a very long duration.God Bless,

Hi Diomedes But the light period the heavens and the earth began to exist in took place prior to Genesis 1:2 according to the text.There are only 2 creation events after Genesis 1:1.Genesis 1:20 when God created a great fish.
Genesis 1:27 when God created mankind, male and female.Nothing else in Genesis 1:2 through 1:30 was created. The text says no such thing.Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.This verse says the earth existed. Not that it was created.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.This verse says the earth was created.Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,This verse states the earth was created in a light period not a period of darkness. I don't know what Bible you use but my KJV as I have quoted to you above says the earth was created in a light period which is God's definition of day. Genesis 1:5So no the Bible and Science agree that the universe and the earth began to exist in a light period.The CMB is the leftovers of a light period from a power source much more powerful than all the suns in the universe. Yes light had to exist prior to the earth.The Bible in Genesis 2:4 agrees that the earth began to exist in a period of light.You as most posters around here have a weird concept of what the Bible actually says. Everyone seems to be stuck on the concept that the YEC'S put forth.Try reading the actual text.God Bless,

Hi jar, How many light periods was there in the first billion years of the existence of the universe?God Bless,

Hi Dr, Not all people just the loudest. The facts have been recorded for over 2800 years. They have not changed. It is not God's fault if people are so easily led astray. After all they have been doing stupid things every since the man formed from the dust of the ground ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evilGod Bless,

Hi Pressie, Its just that the facts recorded in the Bible has been proven by Science.God Bless,

Hi jar, I take your answer to mean you don't have a clue.God Bless,

Hi ProtoTypical Reading the Hebrew from right to left...
The first word (prep) is translated 'In'
The second word (noun) is a compound word translated 'the beginning'
The third word is a kal perfect verb being the completed action of the subject of the verb and is translated 'created' which is a completed job nothing left to do to make the creation perfect.
The fourth word is a noun the subject of the verb and translated 'God'
The fifth word is a sign of the direct object and is not translated.
The sixth word is a dual noun and is the direct object of the verb mistranslated as 'heaven' and should have been 'heavens'.
The seventh word is a sign of the direct object with the conjunction 'and' added. The sign of the direct object is not translated but the conjunction is translated 'and'.
The eighth word is a singular noun a direct object of the verb and is translated earth.I hope that clarifies what the Hebrew actually says.Since the writer used a verb that is kal perfect the universe and earth was a completed job. Nothing that took place in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 1:31 is not part of the original creation event. The KJV is the best English translation we have. Is it perfect? No you don't have to look no further than Genesis 1:5 to find a mistranslation as the translators translated the Hebrew Cardinal number 'one' as an Ordinal number 'first'But I am just as comfortable using the Hebrew text as I am the English.God Bless,

Hi Dr If memory serves me correctly it was not until the 50's that Science decided the Universe was older than the earth.In October of 1949 I spoke at a prayer meeting in my church and discussed the fact that there was no way to determine when the beginning was or the creation of the earth. The universe being created first and then the earth in the universe. I quoted the same scriptures at that time that I have quoted in this thread.Did I know how old the universe or earth were? No and I did not care all I did know was that they were very old.After my little talk about the creation of the universe and mankind I was not allowed to speak in that church again until 2006.My belief has not changed from my belief that the universe and earth are very old. In fact I believe Science will find that the universe and earth are much older than mankind believes they are today. Everyone has not been led astray.The man formed from the dust of the ground disobeyed God by choosing to do so, as he had free will to obey or disobey.Mankind today still has that free will and can choose to believe anything their little minds can dream up. And what if 10 years from now Science discovers that the Universe is not 13.55 billion years but 27.3 billion years old. Then your statement would be incorrect unless the earth age changed the same amount.Yet the Bible would still be correct as it says they were created in 'the beginning'.God Bless,

Hi jar,

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Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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Day = light therefore light = day.
Day does not = darkness.
Darkness = night.Therefore a period of light regardless of the duration not intrupted by a period of darkness regardless of the duration of said darkness = a light period.God Bless,

Hi Diomedes, A duration of light that is not interrupted by a period of darkness. Message 19 You need to read my post.I stated there was 2 creation events after Genesis 1:1 and gave the verses in which something was created.There are only 3 creation events in the Bible where God is the subject of the verb, and they are listed above.There were no other creation events in Genesis. I use the King James version or the Hebrew text your choice.

Hi kbertsche I can not find "the heavens and the earth" listed as an idiom anywhere in any of my Hebrew grammar books.Could you tell me where I can find that reference?God Bless,

Hi kbertsche I can not find any listing in ancient Hebrew of 'in the day' being an idiom. The first idiom I find listed is in Genesis 4:6.Do you think the universe began in total darkness?Does the Bible say God called the light day? Genesis 1:5
Does the Bible say God called the darkness night? Genesis 1:5Light = day = a duration of light, that is not interrupted by night as the day will end with the darkness of night.Therefore the Hebrew noun in Genesis 2:4 translated day would be a duration of light.God Bless,