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Message 41 of 1482 (782497)
04-25-2016 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by NoNukes
04-24-2016 4:01 PM


Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
What the text does say is that the earth existed prior to the creation of light.
Where does the text say that?
NoNukes writes:
Despite the fact that the creation of the earth is not described,
There are a lot of facts given about the day in which the universe and earth began to exist.
You can find the generations (history) of the heavens and of the earth recorded following Genesis 2:4 -4:24
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Message 45 of 1482 (782538)
04-25-2016 6:45 PM
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04-25-2016 8:29 AM


Re: On why "God's light period" is a worthless content free concept.
Hi jar,
jar writes:
Light is named Day. The Dark was named Night. but an evening and a morning was a day.
And that day would be composed of what?
jar writes:
But that is not what the story says. It says a period of light not interrupted by darkness is named Day.
So a period of light equals a Day.
That means the Day in Genesis 2:4 is a period of light in which the heavens and the earth were created.
jar writes:
For there to actually be a "light period" there has to be a delineation, something that sets some limit.
Do you mean like a start of the light period and a end of the light period?
jar writes:
If you want to claim that the Earth was made during a period of light then of course, since the Earth is a body that revolves around the Sun then yes it was created when there was light.
But according to YEC'S and some who have posted in this thread the sun did not exist until the fourth day.
But since the sun and moon is part of the heavens they were created during the day the heavens and the earth were created.
jar writes:
No, there is no science in Genesis 1 and the only thing created in Genesis 1 is ritual.
You are welcome to your opinion and if you are right or wrong we will know which in the future.
God Bless,

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Message 47 of 1482 (782546)
04-25-2016 8:04 PM
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Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Verses 1 and 2. Verse 1 describes a formless earth with God hovering over the waters, and then verse 2 tells us that God then created light and saw that it was good.
Genesis 1 does not describe a formless earth.
In Message 35 I gave the Hebrew text for Genesis 1:1 with explanation of each word.
The verb which is the third word is a kal perfect verb.
Biblical Hebrew had perfect verbs which was completed action and imperfect which is ongoing action.
There are no other kind of verbs in Biblical Hebrew.
Therefore the subject of the verb (God) created (complete action) the heavens (direct object of the verb) and the earth (direct object of the verb). This event took place in the beginning whenever that was.
Genesis 1:1 is a complete declarative statement.
The only verse in the Hebrew text that is tied to verse 1 in Genesis 2:4 as it declares to be the history of the DAY God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 begins with a disjunctive conjunction and should have been translated as 'but' instead of 'and'. It was translated as 'but' in the LXX which was the translation into Greek in 300 BC.
God did not create the universe in the condition it is found in Genesis 1:2. If He did there would be no history of the 'DAY' in which God created the heavens and the earth.
quote:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
The Hebrew word translated vain in Isaiah 45:18 is the same Hebrew word translated 'without form' in Genesis 1:2.
So God said through Isaiah that He did not create the mess in Genesis 1:2 in the beginning in Genesis 1:1.
AS TO LIGHT
Genesis 1:3 does not say God created light. God is light and will furnish the light in the New Heaven and the New Earth.
quote:
Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
NoNukes writes:
Can I assume that you have no issues with the rest of my post?
I will revisit your post and comment further.
God Bless,

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Message 49 of 1482 (782549)
04-25-2016 9:57 PM
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04-24-2016 4:01 PM


Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
In actuality, science tells us that there were first and second generation stars that were born, that shone, and then died in tremendous super nova explosions well before (billions of years prior) there was any solid material available to create this solar system. So the text does not agree with science. And the problem is not merely the duration, but the order of events.
I got no problem with stars beginning to exist and then burning out.
And the text does support any of those things being possible.
NoNukes writes:
Similarly the events of day four as per Genesis are not in the order given given by science relative to the creation of the earth.
But the events of the forth day are not creation events.
The sun and moon was created in Genesis 1:1 as they were part of the universe. The universe was completed in the beginning, which ended when God created darkness that is found at Genesis 1:2.
quote:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
God had to create darkness so what existed prior to His creating darkness?
NoNukes writes:
Nor is the sky a vault or dome over the earth and there is no vault that separates water above from water below. The description of the vault may be poetic licence, put not the order of creation.
What do you call the space that exists between the water on the face of the earth and the water in the clouds?
NoNukes writes:
In addition the order given for the creation of life on earth in days 5 and 6 is not in agreement with science.
The only life form created on day five was what was called great whales. Actually this was a water creature of some kind that was prepared to swallow Jonah.
The only life forms created on day six was mankind male and female.
All other life forms were simply called forth from the waters after their kind which had already existed. Even the plants came forth from the seeds that were already in the ground.
But actually according to the Bible man was the first life form on earth even preceeding all plants and animals. And yes that does disagree with evolution. But right now we are discussing creation,
Not evolution.
NoNukes writes:
These things are all true regardless of the length or definition of a day or a "light period".
According to the Bible all things were created in 6 periods of light and 6 periods of darkness which ended with the seventh day of
quote:
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
God ceased creating at the end of the sixth day and will not start creating again until the present earth and universe melt with fervent heat.
God Bless,

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Message 50 of 1482 (782550)
04-25-2016 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by jar
04-25-2016 7:01 PM


Re: On why "God's light period" is a worthless content free concept.
Hi jar
jar writes:
No, a period of light does not equal a day, sorry but that was not true when the Genesis 1 story was written and is not true even today. A day is composed of a light and dark period according to the story.
Are you saying God was lying when He called the light DAY?
quote:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
jar writes:
According to Genesis 1 the Sun and Moon were not created until day four and were not created during that first day. It has nothing to do with YECs but rather what the story says.
Where in Genesis 1 does it say God created the sun and moon? Be specific.
God Bless,

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Message 51 of 1482 (782552)
04-26-2016 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by NoNukes
04-25-2016 8:24 PM


Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
My point is that regardless of whether verse one includes an ordering regarding the creation of the earth or not, verse 2 describes the universe before God said let there by light. Even if you want to claim that verse 1 subsumes verse 2, verse two and 3 describe God hovering over the waters and then saying let there be light. So earth first then light is the order. Not according to science.
How many times has the earth been to the point that the sun or moon could not been seen from the surface of the earth.
The last time I know of was when the Chicxulub crater was formed and the earth was engulfed in darkness due to the conditions caused by the impact in which:
quote:
The emission of dust and particles could have covered the entire surface of the Earth for several years, possibly a decade, creating a harsh environment for living things. The shock production of carbon dioxide caused by the destruction of carbonate rocks would have led to a sudden greenhouse effect.[25] Over a longer period, sunlight would have been blocked from reaching the surface of the Earth by the dust particles in the atmosphere, cooling the surface dramatically. Photosynthesis by plants would also have been interrupted, affecting the entire food chain.[26]
Chicxulub crater - Wikipedia
So Genesis 1:2 would have just been another of those events where the sun existed but the light did not reach the surface of the earth.
NoNukes writes:
I see that you claim that Genesis does not describe an earth without form. Sorry, but that's going to be a tough argument for you to make.
You need to work on your focus a little.
I said Genesis 1:1 does not describe a earth in the condition the earth is in Genesis 1:2.
The universe and earth were perfect in the beginning at Genesis 1:1. The Hebrew language requires a completed universe and earth.
There is a history of the earth created in Genesis 1:1.
Genesis 2:4 declares that the heavens and the earth was created in a day.
quote:
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
That means it had to be created in a light period which would be followed by a dark period.
It was dark at Genesis 1:2.
NoNukes writes:
Of course we've had these exact identical discussions in several threads now. At some point we might get to the point of showing that science is not exactly as you state either. It may be easier to gain agreement on what the Bible says, but I don't have my hopes up.
I keep thinking you will learn how to read and understand what you are reading.
But you keep letting your assumptions and pre-conceived false beliefs about what the Bible says get in the way.
I thought scientific people followed the facts. Not invent them.
God Bless,

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Message 59 of 1482 (782626)
04-26-2016 5:59 PM
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04-26-2016 8:38 AM


Re: On why "God's light period" is a worthless content free concept.
Hi jar
jar writes:
The God character is naming the light Day in the fable. Not defining some light period of a day, but rather when we would call daytime today. As is shown in your very quote an evening and a morning is a day, the period starting as the Night comes on and running through to the next Day. A day is not a period of light but rather a period of dark followed by light.
When does evening come?
jar writes:
The first sun and the moon get mentioned in the story in Gen 1:16. Now if you want to quibble and say that made and create are not synonymous you are free to do so.
Thanks for your permission.
I will not quibble but I will point out the facts.
Is ברא and עשה the same word?
Both are verbs in the kal stem and both are primitive root words. They do not come from any other word.
The first words definition: create and always has God as the subject of the verb. God is always the one doing the creating.
The second words definition: to do work and it is not limited to God being the subject of the verb.
They are not the same and they do not mean the same thing.
I made a toilet partition today. I did some work on some materials and produced a toilet partition.
I did not create a toilet partition as I would not have had to do any work to produce the toilet partition.
jar writes:
But the important part is the fact that a day starts at the coming of darkness, of Night,
What ends at evening to allow the darkness to come?
God Bless,

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Message 61 of 1482 (782629)
04-26-2016 9:09 PM
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04-26-2016 2:14 AM


Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
I suppose that if I am going to pound on a bad argument, I should acknowledge a good one. God could have been illuminating an earth covered with clouds. A formless and void earth.
That is exactly what He was doing.
NoNukes writes:
That's fine. It is not in accordance with science that the universe contained every star and planet at the time of formation of the earth. So what does being complete mean to you.
The Bible does not say how much duration there was between the beginning and Genesis 1:2. Some scientist say the beginning was 8 billion years ago. The 13.4 billion year number has been revised to 13.55 billion years. Some scientist go as far out as 20 billion years.
I don't care how big the number might grow too the Bible has it covered, as it sets no birthday.
Being complete means it was a finished product, with mankind, animals, fowls, vegetation, literally everything except modern mankind and the great fish to swallow Jonah existed in the day God created the heavens and the earth.
You probably will say that is impossible. And with mankind you would be correct but with God nothing is impossible.
Now let me expand on the Day God created the heavens and the earth.
Day being a period of light that ended with the evening and darkness we find at Genesis 1:2 God called that light period and the dark period at Genesis 1:2 with the second light period being the end of Day one.
I say Day one instead of 'first day' as the writer of the Hebrew text used the Cardinal number instead of the Ordinal which the translators used to translate first day.
That light period had existed from the beginning until the darkness came that we find at Genesis 1:2.
During that light period God formed a man from the dust of the ground, planted a garden supplied vegetation, made animals and fowls from the Ground. He cloned a woman from a part of the man.
God gave the man one rule to obey. The man chose to disobey God and was chased out of the garden.
It is recorded that he had two sons of which the oldest killed the younger son Abel.
The history of at least 7 generations is recorded in the fourth chapter of Genesis. Lamech killed a young man.
Thus 2 death are recorded and no others.
There is no ages given for any of those inhabitants of the earth.
There was at least 1 city built.
None of these people existed at Genesis 1:2.
Therefore the man formed from the dust of the ground died the same day he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, just like God said he would.
NoNukes writes:
Okay. But that would be the case because Genesis 1:1 says nothing about the condition of anything in the universe.
The Biblical Hebrew language the original text was recorded in requires that the universe and earth was completed. That is what the perfect verb requires no less. It does not say what the duration of the light period (day) the heavens and the earth was created in.
NoNukes writes:
How is it that you make up things in the absence of any information.
I am discussing what the Bible says so if I have made up something please point it out to me.
NoNukes writes:
You seem to be putting forth that the world was complete in Genesis 1:1,
Yes it was completed and inhabited.
NoNukes writes:
then only partially formed and in fact formless in Genesis 1:2, only to become fully formed,
No the earth was fully formed in Genesis 1:1.
If the Hebrew text of verse two had been translated correctly you would understand that the second verse begins with a disjunctive conjunction not a conjunctive conjunction.
So the first word of the second verse would be like it is in the Greek LXX which is But.
Then had the to be verb היה been translated correctly as its definition states (1.to be, become, come to pass,) verse two would read 'But the earth had become.....
In Isaiah 45:18 Isaiah quotes God as saying "he created it not in vain, which is the same Hebrew word as the one translated 'without form' in Genesis 1:2.
NoNukes writes:
only to become fully formed, well who knows when.
It was fully formed in the day God created the heavens and the earth.
But, something that we are not told happened to it to produce the condition of the earth in Genesis 1:2.
Many tell me that was caused when the Devil was cast out of heaven.
The problem is that he was till roaming through heaven in Job's lifetime. He is still there today and he will be there during the tribulation period which is in the future. So that was not the cause.
NoNukes writes:
but does the Bible actually say those things,
I have quoted the text, gave you the Hebrew to correct mis-translations so you examine the evidence.
NoNukes writes:
or do you make them up because you think science is correct?
I do not make things up and I do not believe science is correct.
I do believe science can shed a lot of light on the Bible.
Science starts out with some assumptions about creation. If those assumptions are wrong then many other things will probably be wrong. But that does not mean everything is wrong.
God Bless,

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Message 62 of 1482 (782633)
04-26-2016 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Dogmafood
04-26-2016 8:21 AM


Re: Immutable word of God
Hi Prolto
Proto writes:
Science is precise and creation stories are not.
How can you say science is precise concerning creation when science has to start out with some assumptions?
Proto writes:
It seems to me that comparing the biblical creation story with what science has shown us is like looking for truth in the forecast of your horoscope.
The Bible said the universe and earth were old before science had a clue.
The Bible tells us the universe began to exist long before science decided the universe began to exist.
The Bible tells us where the universe came from. Science is still working on their "We don't know" answer.
The Bible tells us the universe is expanding long before science.
The Bible tells us the land mass was all in one place long before science discovered it.
The Bible tells us that land mass divided into the continents we have today, before science knew it was all in one place at one time.
So like I told NoNukes science has shined some light on what the Bible recorded over 2800 years ago.
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Message 63 of 1482 (782634)
04-26-2016 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by jar
04-26-2016 8:14 PM


Re: what Genesis 1 is all about.
Hi jar
jar writes:
What is created in Genesis 1 is the ritual Jewish week and the Sacred Sabbath and it is the justification for so many of the laws and traditions that defined being Hebrew.
jar I know that is what you believe but could you be specific and show me where the Sacred Sabbath is what was created?
God Bless,

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Message 64 of 1482 (782636)
04-27-2016 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by kbertsche
04-26-2016 1:33 AM


Re: The heavens and the earth
Hi kbertsche
kbertsche writes:
Unfortunately, I don't know of a Hebrew (or Greek) grammar that has a very complete list of idioms. If you find one, please let me know!
If they are not in the Hebrew grammar books then they must not exist or not important to understanding the Biblical Hebrew.
kbertsche writes:
You can also look up individual figures of speech in an encyclopedia or Wikipedia. As I mentioned earlier, "heavens and earth" in Gen 1:1 is generally classed as a "merism" (though I think Bullinger classed it as "synecdoche"). Here's what Wikipedia says about merisms:
Are you saying that Genesis 1:1 is poetry?
I thought since it had a verb, subject of the verb and 2 direct objects of the verb with a specific result. It was a statement of fact in a simple declarative statment.
God Bless,

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Message 65 of 1482 (782638)
04-27-2016 1:07 AM
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04-26-2016 2:10 AM


Hi kbersche
kbertsche writes:
Check Bullinger's works. He starts identifying figures of speech in Gen 1:1. For "in the day" in 2:4, Bullinger has a note in his "Companion Bible" that says "in the day = when". Other study bibles do something similar.
That is Rashi's teaching.
But Moses is speaking of a specific day which he refers to as Day one in Genesis 1:5.
kbertsche writes:
As Jar pointed out, these are NAMES (proper nouns). The first three days of Gen 1 involve naming. If we don't distinguish between the proper nouns (names) and the ordinary nouns, we will get confused.
What makes them proper nouns?
לאור is a feminine noun which means: 1.light
1.light of day
2.light of heavenly luminaries (moon, sun, stars)
3.day-break, dawn, morning light
4.daylight
and comes from the verb אור which means 1. to be or become light, shine
יוס is a masculine noun meaning 1. day as opposed to night and is from an unused root word meaning hot.
kbertsche writes:
For example, a "day" (lower-case d) contains both morning and evening, both a light and a dark period. The light period is named "Day" (upper-case D). Thus "Day" (the light period) is not the same as "day" (the full day, including more than just "Day").
I thought you knew Biblical Hebrew.
Biblical Hebrew can not show the difference between day and Day as there are no lower and uppercase letters. There is only one case.
Both are written יוס.
BTW Modern Hebrew does not have case either.
God Bless,

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Message 66 of 1482 (782639)
04-27-2016 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by NoNukes
04-26-2016 1:32 AM


Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Why isn't the creation of man a part of creation?
It is a part of God's creation just not the scientific version. In that version we don't know where or how the first life form got here other than by a fluke accident.
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Message 67 of 1482 (782643)
04-27-2016 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by NoNukes
04-26-2016 1:09 AM


Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
You are not addressing the question at all. By your logic, everything was created in Genesis 1:1. And yet no human's existed until day 6. Where does that fit in the order described in Genesis 1:1?
Yes everything was created in Genesis 1:1.
Mankind was the first life form on earth. He was formed from the dust of the ground and not created. So this man existed in the same day the heavens and the earth began to exist. Genesis 2:7.
NoNukes writes:
And saying that the universe was created does not mean that everything in the universe was created. There are stars in existence which were created well after the earth was created. So simply saying that the universe was created does not say that the sun and moon existed.
Were those stars created or born?
Isn't all the planets, earth and our sun all the same age?
NoNukes writes:
Where do you get the idea that darkness was created in verse 2 anyway ?
God created the heavens and the earth in a day. Since God had not set up the 24 hour day at that time it had to be a light period as day is what God called light.
God created darkness. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
NoNukes writes:
It is light that is said to be created after Genesis 2.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say light was created.
NoNukes writes:
Do you know what darkness is?
Darkness is the absence of light.
There is no such thing as absolute darkness as there is always light it just may not be in the spectrum that is visible to you.
NoNukes writes:
where is the creation of darkness described or mentioned?
See Isaiah 45:7 above.
NoNukes writes:
And what about the earth being without form? Was that the case or not?
The earth had become empty and lifeless and covered with water.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 72 of 1482 (782677)
04-27-2016 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by jar
04-27-2016 8:18 AM


Re: what Genesis 1 is all about.
Hi jar
jar writes:
Trying to pretend the Genesis 1 fable is a factual scientific account denigrates the story and the authors, redactors and editors.
Well Genesis 1:2 through 2:3 has nothing to do with creation.
Creation took place in Genesis 1:1 and the history of that day is recorded in Genesis 2:4 and the following verses.
Genesis 1:2 through 2:3 is a remodeling of the original creation which had reached a condition described by Jeremiah in 4:23-26.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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