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Topic: A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 3 of 342 (784255)
05-15-2016 9:03 AM
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Is there any point to your assertion?
Is there a point or value to your assertion? Is it really just turtles all the way down? Does it matter whether or not there is or was some first cause? Are we not more interested in what caused this accident, what caused this fire, what caused this banana to taste better than that banana? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 23 of 342 (784278)
05-15-2016 10:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by nano
05-15-2016 6:18 PM
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Re: Is there any point to your assertion?
But you are assuming that the explanation must be logical and that the first cause had to be caused? Other than your unsupported assertions is there any evidence the first cause had to be caused?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 44 of 342 (784325)
05-16-2016 8:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by nano
05-16-2016 5:10 PM
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| Logically there can be no explanation because there is no first cause. There is only a first thing and it is uncaused. That is the point of the proof. |
But there can be an explanation; for example "The first cause has no prior cause." would be an explanation. "It is turtles all the way down." is an explanation. "Brahma slept and dreamed." is an explanation.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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All great questions but irrelevant to the topic of the OP.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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How so? Is the topic not " A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained"? If the universe is explained then would those not be other questions?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 68 of 342 (784382)
05-17-2016 5:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by nano
05-17-2016 4:57 PM
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If the explanation is that the first cause had no prior cause is that not an explanation?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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But that is not what he asked, and if the answer to any of those is simply that it has no cause then that is the explanation.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 90 of 342 (784427)
05-18-2016 8:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 84 by nano
05-18-2016 7:42 AM
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Why is it not an explanation?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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But if "it just exists" is true then yes it is an explanation.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 291 of 342 (793179)
10-23-2016 9:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 290 by nano
10-23-2016 6:20 AM
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- It either created itself from absolutely nothing, which is impossible to explain- Or it was always there and had no beginning, which is also impossible to explain - Therefore, the universe cannot be explained Where: Universe = Multiverse = All of Existence
But you have still never explained why those things are impossible to explain someday? Or why there are only the two options? So I don't quite see how you really have anything!
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 334 of 342 (864592)
10-13-2019 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 333 by Theodoric
10-13-2019 10:49 AM
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Re: What are the limits of science?
And everybody knows that the Ultimate Answer is "42".
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Exactly. Unexplained things get assigned to the Unexplained category. Making up explanations like 'God did it' is simply childish, not honest and silly.
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jar
Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 342 of 342 (888526)
09-19-2021 4:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 340 by Phat
09-19-2021 2:56 PM
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Re: What Does God Do?
| Phat writes: But surely God has to do something.
As a believer, what would you imagine GOD to do? Create universes and ignore His beloved pond scum? |
Why does God have to do something? You still are not addressing the differences between belief, knowledge and reality.
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