A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained

More accurately I assume the laws are hard-codes into the underlying fabric of the universe. Where did the quantum fluctuation come from? Perhaps it was the first thing in the universe. As such, it has no cause and cannot be explained. Therefore the universe cannot be explained.

Yes, exactly my point.

It still remains that first things cannot be explained. Therefore the origin of the universe cannot be explained.

I accept and have stated that 2nd and greater things can be explained by the things that came before. My specific assertion is that the origin of the universe cannot be explained. I could have been more clear about that in my proof.

I just meant that it is simple and logical.

I don't think its absurd when simple logic leads one to the conclusion that the origin of the universe cannot be explained. I will leave that judgement to others. I am satisfied with the simple and direct nature of my proof.Edited by nano, : No reason given.Edited by nano, : No reason given.

Because it doesn't explain anything. Therefore it cannot logically be called an explanation.

As my proof shows, its simple and straight-forward logic. The first thing in the universe cannot be explained because there is nothing to explain it. Unless you say that the first thing caused itself. That too cannot be explained. Therefore the universe cannot be explained. The logic is evident by definition alone. Its evident as is.

Saying my proof is illogical doesn't make it so. And I use a real-world example at the heart of it. Its simple straight-forward logic. Surely radioactivity and the Casimir effect can be explained by the laws of physics. That makes radioactivity and the Casimir effect 2nd or greater things and can be explained by the things that came before. It's the laws of physics as a first thing that cannot be explained (in this example).I to would like to move this discussion forward but we seem to be speaking different languages with all the concern over what certain words mean.I will try to move it forward by quoting Son Goku from the original thread almost 3 years ago now. Here it is: EvC Forum: A Proposed Proof That The Origin of The Universe Cannot Be Scientifically Explained This is exactly what I am on about. Here, the laws are the first thing. They can't be explained. Therefore the origin of the universe cannot be explained.

I am asking. And quantum fluctuations adhere to the laws of physics, yes? That puts the laws as the first thing in this example. Its the origin of the laws that can't be explained and thus the origin of the universe cannot be explained.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. My proof is simple and straight forward. It should be understood that way.

You seem very fixed on this "ultimate" corollary. Technically, you are the one that proposed it. It is not part of my proof. I merely said you had an interesting point and I would think about it.

I'm not ready to take the ultimate step, but I like your thinking.

Logically, cause and effect could be considered to be part of the structure of physical laws of the universe. The laws of physics could have been the first thing and as such their origin is unexplainable. In turn, the origin of the universe is unexplainable.

Forgive my absence. My wife had surgery and I am caring for her.Would it help to define "immediate explanations" vs. "the ultimate explanation"? I maintain that 2nd things and beyond can be immediately explained by the things that came before. However this is different than the ultimate explanation of the origin of the universe.And yes, the logic does lead one to say that ultimately nothing can be explained because ultimately the origin of the universe cannot be explained. Lets call this The Ultimate Corollary. I am in your debt for bringing it to my attention. It's why I come to this board.However I am not looking for an explanation for the first thing. I'm not challenging anyone to find one. I'm saying that simple logic leads to the conclusion that the universe cannot be explained.