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Author Topic:   A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
Dr Adequate
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Message 197 of 342 (784748)
05-22-2016 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by bluegenes
05-22-2016 12:54 PM


Re: Uncaused things don't need prior cause explanations.
How would a reality in which there's nothing real be possible?

By virtue of not being logically inconsistent.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 199 of 342 (784750)
05-22-2016 1:47 PM
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05-22-2016 1:07 PM


Re: Uncaused things don't need prior cause explanations.
Is reality a thing?

I shouldn't have said so. Surely it's more of a quality, like blueness or octagonality. You'd wind up with some very strange consequences if you started reifying all the nouns.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 202 of 342 (784756)
05-22-2016 4:01 PM
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05-22-2016 3:23 PM


Re: Uncaused things don't need prior cause explanations.
In which case, it's thing dependent, and the same for existence if we view it as a state of things rather than a thing. Pure nothingness cannot be real and cannot exist without contradiction.

Well, there you're reifying "nothingness" as well.

According to you, can we have a box with nothing in it?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 206 of 342 (784766)
05-22-2016 9:17 PM
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05-22-2016 4:36 PM


Re: Uncaused things don't need prior cause explanations.
I thought that's what you were trying to do.

No.

No.

Interesting. Does that apply to every particular thing, or just some things? For example, can you have a box with no unicorns in it?


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Dr Adequate
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Message 212 of 342 (784810)
05-23-2016 5:49 PM
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05-23-2016 4:58 AM


Re: Uncaused things don't need prior cause explanations.
Certainly. And it could be a horse box without a horse. If we could take everything out of our box, every particle, and try to get an absence of space time itself, what might happen at the point where we seem to achieve it, instead of the desired result, whoosh "big bang", we've created another set of dimensions, lots of somethingness, and become gods.

That's rather speculative.

In order for someone to have a proof that the universe is inexplicable, they need to show that it can never be explained without reference to prior cause.

That seems to have been done.


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