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A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained

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Message 232 of 342 (785243)
05-31-2016 2:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 230 by ICANT
05-31-2016 2:12 PM

ICant writes:


Yes that has to be the scientific answer.

But the Bible tells us God created the heavens and earth in the beginning.

Well therein lies the problem. One system is rational the other isn't.

I know the scientific community does not like to give any credence to the Bible

Quite

but at present it is the only book that tells us how it began to exist and why we are here.

There are stacks of books that tell us how the author(s) imagine all this came about. The obvious questions are why yours is any better than all the others and why anyone should take notice of what's written in a book anyway.

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10-26-2016 5:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 295 by nano
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nano writes:

The First Thing is the first thing to ever exist. At the point of its existence there is nothing else in the universe.

Nope, the first thing is that we don't understand the first thing about what something and nothing are.

"obvious" doesn't begin to describe it.

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10-28-2016 5:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 309 by nano
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nano writes:

My proof still stands no matter what the first thing is.

What if the first thing was nothing?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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10-29-2016 12:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 315 by nano
10-29-2016 7:29 AM

nano writes:

A confusion of terms and another red herring.

I'm trying to show you that without defining 'nothing' you can't even start your argument. I don't know what nothing is, do you? Is it even possible for nothing to exist? How would you know?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 325 of 342 (835740)
06-29-2018 4:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 324 by AnswersInGenitals
06-29-2018 4:21 PM

Re: Simple question. Simple answer.
Nope. Because they are independent, one might have a 99.99999999% chance and the other 0.00000001%. Or any combination of numbers in between.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Message 328 of 342 (835745)
06-30-2018 1:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 326 by NoNukes
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Re: Simple question. Simple answer.
Shouldn't drink and type.....fixed
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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