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Author Topic:   A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
New Cat's Eye
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Message 259 of 342 (785679)
06-08-2016 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by NoNukes
06-08-2016 5:13 PM


Beyond that, your initial argument was something a bit different. You simply quoted some mathematical symbols and suggested we look at them. But the braces you drew are just delineation. They don't represent anything physical.

I was just arguing that the empty set is not nothing.

Your current argument, as I see it, is akin to telling me that I have a stamp collection, but that my collection has no stamps and never did. Actually, I don't have a stamp collection and I don't want one.

It's that a stamp collection that contains no stamps isn't a stamp collection at all.

Can you have a chemical element with no atoms?

Can you have a society with no people?

Can you have a universe with no things?

I say no.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 266 of 342 (785733)
06-09-2016 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by ICANT
06-09-2016 4:28 PM


Cat writes:

If there IS non-existence? Can non-existence have the property of being? Doesn't being mean existing?

Non existence has no properties as it is the opposite of existence.

Then it cannot be, and you cannot talk of if it is.

Edited by Cat Sci, : is > it


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 271 of 342 (785747)
06-09-2016 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by ICANT
06-09-2016 6:24 PM


Just because you can't fathom non existence does not mean there could not be an absence of anything.

My question is if an absence of anything can actually be. That is, have the property of being. You know, existing. You seem to be saying "No" while also entertaining the idea of "Yes".

Wouldn't the opposite of existence have to not exist?

Does that make existence inevitable?

Is that an "explanation"?


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Message 300 of 342 (793387)
10-27-2016 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by nano
10-26-2016 4:43 PM


pointing to the first thing as the cause of its own existence is a logical fallacy (Circular Reasoning)

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Saying "We don't know what we don't know" is an Argument from Ignorance and is a logical fallacy.

You are wrong about those logical fallacies.

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Argument from ignorance is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proved false (or vice versa).

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Circular reasoning is often of the form: "A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true."

Honestly, your "proof" is closer to circular reasoning than any of the rebuttals to it.

Hence I can logically say the origin of the universe cannot be explained.

Just because something is logically sound does not mean that it is true.

Since your premises are flawed, your argument fails.


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