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Author Topic:   A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
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Message 154 of 342 (784548)
05-19-2016 12:36 PM
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05-15-2016 6:35 AM


nano writes:

Cannot be Explained


I think you're just setting the bar too high. An explanation doesn't have to be perfect or even complete. It only needs to be useful.

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Message 184 of 342 (784688)
05-21-2016 1:18 PM
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05-21-2016 1:10 PM


nano writes:

What types of explanations are not causal?


Our ancestors had an "explanation" of how flint works, which enabled them to work it into useful tools, which in turn enhanced their ability to survive. They didn't need an "explanation" of where flint comes from.

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Message 250 of 342 (785632)
06-08-2016 12:07 PM
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06-08-2016 10:05 AM


Cat Sci writes:

The OP erroneously views the universe as a container that can be empty. The universe is the things that exist, not a set that may or may not contain things.


Or... the universe includes both the container and the contents. The container exists, even if there is nothing "in" it.

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Message 252 of 342 (785640)
06-08-2016 12:29 PM
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06-08-2016 12:20 PM


Cat Sci writes:

The container is the contents... without the contents there is no container.


I don't know if we agree or disagree.

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Message 264 of 342 (785712)
06-09-2016 11:52 AM
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06-08-2016 4:07 PM


Cat Sci writes:

Can you have a universe with no things?


Can you have space with nothing in it? I think you can.

As I understand it, the universe is the space; the "things" in it are just "wrinkles" in the space. So yes, I would say you could have a universe with no things - perfectly flat.


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Message 275 of 342 (785775)
06-10-2016 12:07 PM
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06-10-2016 8:18 AM


Re: Greatest proof of all time!
Stile writes:

The logic dictates it.


There is a singularity where logic breaks down.

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Message 277 of 342 (785797)
06-11-2016 11:41 AM
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06-10-2016 9:06 PM


nano writes:

If a singularity were the 1st thing ever to exist....


A singularity is not a thing. It is "where" (though it is not a place) you can no longer ask, "Where did it come from?" No logic is possible beyond that "point".

So I kind of agree with you: The universe can not be explained in the same way that a tree can be explained - but neither can you "prove" that it can not be explained. At some "point" (which is not a place) all logic goes offline; the screen goes blank.


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Message 288 of 342 (786001)
06-14-2016 1:15 PM
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06-14-2016 1:10 PM


nano writes:

I would admit to a flair for the dramatic in my writing, but this forum might not be the best place for it.


A lot of people on this forum take things VERY literally.

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