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Author Topic:   A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
NoNukes
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Message 279 of 342 (785807)
06-11-2016 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Diomedes
06-11-2016 12:10 PM


Not exactly. At the point of the singularity, space-time was not present. Without the temporal dimension in place, the natural causal relationship between cause and effect is not in place.

Nicely stated. This indicates a problem with one of the premises in the argument, which is one of the reasons I find the OP of limited use. Some things may not be caused by any conventional meaning of that term, and for those things, requiring an explanation to be causal is simply silly.


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NoNukes
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Message 282 of 342 (785860)
06-12-2016 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by nano
06-12-2016 6:34 AM


It has no beginning and thus cannot be explained. The time element, and causal relationships are not important in this origin state.

These statements, in my opinion, make no sense. As used here, those statements are only premises or axioms which themselves are not subject to inquiry or a requirement to be demonstrated.

On the other hand, folks have every right to question them, and ask that they be demonstrated.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 286 of 342 (785970)
06-14-2016 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by nano
06-13-2016 7:56 AM


I'm not saying anything new. The two 1st thing origin states are clearly stated in the OP.

Yes. Those things regarding origin states are in the OP, but they are not demonstrated to be correct as a step leading to your conclusion. Why do you think that pointing out that you already said something in the OP makes any progress towards demonstrating that your proof is correct?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 326 of 342 (835741)
06-29-2018 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by Tangle
06-29-2018 4:43 PM


Re: Simple question. Simple answer.
Nope. Because they are independent, one might have a 99.99999999% chance and the other 0.99999999%. Or any combination of numbers in between

Those two numbers add up to 101%


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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NoNukes
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Message 327 of 342 (835742)
06-29-2018 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by AnswersInGenitals
06-29-2018 4:21 PM


Re: Simple question. Simple answer.
These possible occurrences are independent and therefore have equal probability of occurring, i. e., each has a 50% chance of occurring.

I won the lottery, or I did not. Each has a fifty percent chance of occurring?

Your argument is just as silly as the one that this thread is based on. I assume highlighting the silliness is your point.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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