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Topic: Does Atheism = No beliefs?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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I agree
I have a friend that is(at least claims) to be an Atheist(as I am) , but believes in ghosts and the "paranormal". Makes no sense to me.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Does Athiem = no beliefs? Atheism is no belief in a god. Nothing more, nothing less. I find it hard to think of an animist as an atheist. I am not real familiar with the concept. Maybe others can better enlighten this thought.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Atheism is no belief in a god.
Nothing more, nothing less. Not necessarily, it is capable of being more than that. Just because a person that is atheist could have more beliefs, dos not make atheism more. Atheism is the lack in the belief of a god. If some atheist believe in something else, that does not affect what atheism is. I'll am trying not to be an asshole. It is just that you argument is flawed.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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I see this as the crux of the issue Hyro has with other debaters. He cannot conceive that someone can be pro-gun rights, but willing to call for gun control. For him it is an either/or dilemma. He is making a false dichotomy and reaches for spurious quotes and reasoning in order to back up this false dichotomy. His remarks have shown this to be a perfectly valid assessment. He is making a false dichotomy. Show through a valid argument he isn't.
BS
Your posts have shown that you are a christianist troll. Also, a valid assessment. I am not the only one to think so.
You obviously don't think.
Yes assholish, but attempting to show the stupidity of his arguments. CS, You have had problems with me in the past. the problem as I see it is that you do not like my arguments. I argue strongly. If you think I am an asshole, so be it. I don't resort to name calling and refuse to let others call me names without responding. If you feel the need to resort to attacks maybe you should not respond to me. I have no need, desire or inclination to ignore self-righteousness or arguments I disagree with or think are fallacious. To you I might be an asshole, but lets keep the conversation civil. I truly don't care what you think of me, but care what I am called in a post.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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There are definitions. You are not just allowed to make your own definition and expect others to agree to it. Atheism - disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. Source Random House Dictionary, Random House, Inc. 2010. Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities Source Rowe, William L. (1998). "Atheism". in Edward Craig. Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
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Nielsen, Kai (2010). "Atheism". Encyclopdia Britannica. atheism | Definition, History, Beliefs, Types, Examples, & Facts | Britannica. Retrieved 2010-02-01. "Atheism, in general, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings.... Instead of saying that an atheist is someone who believes that it is false or probably false that there is a God, a more adequate characterization of atheism consists in the more complex claim that to be an atheist is to be someone who rejects belief in God for the following reasons (which reason is stressed depends on how God is being conceived)...".
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Edwards, Paul (2005) [1967]. "Atheism". in Donald M. Borchert. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Vol. 1 (2nd ed.). MacMillan Reference USA (Gale). p. 359. ISBN 0028657802. "On our definition, an 'atheist' is a person who rejects belief in God, regardless of whether or not his reason for the rejection is the claim that 'God exists' expresses a false proposition. People frequently adopt an attitude of rejection toward a position for reasons other than that it is a false proposition. It is common among contemporary philosophers, and indeed it was not uncommon in earlier centuries, to reject positions on the ground that they are meaningless. Sometimes, too, a theory is rejected on such grounds as that it is sterile or redundant or capricious, and there are many other considerations which in certain contexts are generally agreed to constitute good grounds for rejecting an assertion.". (page 175 in 1967 edition)
Source Show me a definition that includes what you claim.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 72 of 414 (551538)
03-23-2010 12:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Den
03-23-2010 12:31 AM
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and free thinking to an Athiest means repeating what someone else has said.
and people say I am an asshole.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Atheism
Quoting scripture won't get you anywhere on this forum. Do you have anything pertinent to add to the topic? Proselytizing is only going to get you abuse here.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 174 of 414 (552335)
03-28-2010 8:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 164 by Den
03-27-2010 10:51 PM
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In other words, God
1. The source of intelligent design is beyond the scope of human sensory perception, i.e. sonar, radar, magnetism, gravity, ID like these other invisible forces is something beyond the grasp of our senses, and like our discovery of these other invisible forces above ID is also not beyond the scope of our concious understanding and perception. You mean God.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 294 of 414 (786221)
06-18-2016 11:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 293 by Phat
06-18-2016 3:14 PM
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Re: Ringos Believe It Or Not
There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so.
Who? Give examples.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 316 of 414 (786450)
06-21-2016 10:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 293 by Phat
06-18-2016 3:14 PM
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Re: Ringos Believe It Or Not
So you got nothing?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 319 of 414 (786473)
06-22-2016 10:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 317 by Phat
06-22-2016 2:03 AM
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Re: Ringos Believe It Or Not
So this claim is bull? You know no one that has said this?
There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so. and they dont want to know God...or at least the god I market.
Because the first comment is not equal to the second. You finally may be getting it with the final clause on your last comment. Please stop trying to impute the feelings of people that have a different view of the supernatural than you do. It is extremely insulting. I could just as easily say you believe in a god, because you are incapable of taking personal responsibility. Or that you fear the unknown so you are willing to believe anything. I would be wrong though, because I have no idea why you have the faith you do. So quit telling other people why the believe what they believe. It is insulting.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 320 of 414 (786474)
06-22-2016 10:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 318 by Diomedes
06-22-2016 10:38 AM
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The problem with people like Cat Sci and most religious is that they think belief is the default. Lack of belief to them is an active rejection of something. No-belief is actually the default. If it were the other way around everyone would have the same belief in a god, even people that were not indoctrinated. They would have the belief naturally.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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So when you used this argument you didn't really mean it?
Consider that the system implies believing itself exists and that the additional claim is that no god exists.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 330 of 414 (786516)
06-22-2016 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 327 by Phat
06-22-2016 4:01 PM
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Re: All Insults Aside
Phat writes: There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so.
So you going to stick with this?
To start with, insulting you is the least of my worries.
How christian of you. It seems a lot of religious people have no problem insulting the non-religious but are extremely thin skinned with all of their imagined sleights.
In my opinion this is truth.
Can you define truth?
Even if the Bible as written was symbolic and was a communication from humans to humans, there is much that can be learned. Many of the old ideas such as idolatry are to be found in a modern day context. Just go to a car show! I would enjoy an argument as to whether people in the modern age still worship and idolize things (and people..(SI swimsuit edition as prime example) without even necessarily believing that they are doing so. Of course this is all my opinion. You may well have different beliefs or world views.
Wow! You obviously have no concept of the historical and religious reality of idolatry. A car show or SI swimsuit edition, though offensive to many, is not in any way shape or form, like religious idolatry.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 332 of 414 (786536)
06-22-2016 8:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 328 by Taq
06-22-2016 4:08 PM
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Atheism and agnosticism are different things. They are not different positions on a scale. Atheism has to do with belief. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god Agnostic Theist - Concedes has no knowledge there is a god but believes there is Gnostic Atheist - Knows there is no god and does not believe either Agnostic Atheist - Concedes has no knowledge there is no god, but has no belief or reason to believe there is. They only rational choices are the agnostic ones. It is impossible to know something with no evidence to back up that knowledge.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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