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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I'm not making an argument. I'm asking a question. Why is it obvious? Show some support for your argument. If I'm in a canoe and I move to the left, I need an equal and opposite shift of weight to the right to avoid turning over. Why is it different in politics?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
If I'm in a canoe and I move to the left, I need an equal and opposite shift of weight to the right to avoid turning over. Why is it different in politics?
Because the laws of physics don't influence politics.Seems quite silly to think the two things are at all related. I do think if the Democratic Party advocated for state sponsored socialism there would be backlash, because that is far out of the norm. What Bernie Sanders has advocated is well within the norm. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Because there is no evidence to show such a thing. If there is evidence please show it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
On the contrary, I don't see why the two wouldn't be analogous.
Because the laws of physics don't influence politics.Seems quite silly to think the two things are at all related. Theodoric writes:
That's what I was asking. So your answer is "yes", not "no".
I do think if the Democratic Party advocated for state sponsored socialism there would be backlash, because that is far out of the norm. Theodoric writes:
I would think that the word "socialist" alone would be enough to cause a backlash.
What Bernie Sanders has advocated is well within the norm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I asked a question and you answered "no". The onus is on you to provide backing for your answer.
Because there is no evidence to show such a thing.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
What if Hillary picks Rep. John Lewis, aged 76, to be her running mate?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I said there is no evidence to show you are correct. What more can I say?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The US is a socialist country. A poor example of one, but many of our institutions are socialist already. This is an argument the right is trying to use but it is only getting traction among a small population. Again, show some evidence to back your assumptions.
The two are no where near analogous. In order for them to be analogous political change would have to only function one way like a scientific law. Not sure how you can show that as happening.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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What if Hillary picks Rep. John Lewis, aged 76, to be her running mate? Then ... that would be quite surprising? He hugged me once. This is not particularly relevant.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
It makes no diference whether the US "is" socialist or not. The point is that the word "socialist" is enough to get some people almost in a lynching mood. To those people, a candidate self-identifying as "socialist" - whether he really "is" socialist or not - is almost certain to drive some people to vote for anybody but him, isn't it? The US is a socialist country. A poor example of one, but many of our institutions are socialist already. I may not have any "evidence" for what's blatantly obvious but that doesn't stop it from being blatantly obvious. You and I both know that people will bend over to pick up a dollar that they find on the street, whether there are any scholarly studies on the subject or not.
Theodoric writes:
So your answer is, "Yes, among a small (segment of the) population," not, "No."
This is an argument the right is trying to use but it is only getting traction among a small population. Theodoric writes:
You just did.
Not sure how you can show that as happening.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Taq writes:
You conveniently left out the part where the right wing conservatives at the time were also doing some pretty disgusting things, including shutting down the public school system, beating and murdering black folks, etc. The KKK at the time was still one of the most powerful organizations in the south. Martin Luther King, Jr. could have played it safe. African Americans could still be suffering from some form of segregation, but at least they wouldn't have been clubbed by policemen, right? Conservatives nowadays have learned their lesson. If they tried to push the country too far to the right, most people would be turned off by it and progressive policies would win the day. That's why they've come up with bullshit stances like hate the sin but love the sinner, traditional marriage, etc. What MLK Jr. did worked because the conservatives at the time ape shit crazy. The same cannot be said today. I've also noticed that you conveniently ignored the prop 8 thing when I pointed it out. Let me repeat. The liberal elements in California pushed for marriage equality too fast and it resulted in the most liberal state in the country to pass prop 8 via popular vote. This fact cannot be ignored. If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The right and trump already had that population. It is called the right wing base. They are already to the right they can only move further right.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Though many are rarely mentioned in the press, we know a number of members of the Trump inner circle and can begin guessing who might become members of the Trump staff and cabinet. Ivanka Trump might become Chief of Staff, Donald Trump Jr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Eric Trump Secretary of the Interior, Michael Cohen Attorney General, Paul Manafort Secretary of Commerce, and Hope Hicks Press Secretary. Yikes. Thanks for a disturbing afternoon thought. Guess I'd best skip that nap I had planned. I might end up in a dream that I'd welcome having Freddy Krueger interrupt.
Fun fact that doesn't matter but that I'm surprised I didn't already know: Ivanka converted to Judaism in 2009 and took the name Yael before marrying. You did not know it because you don't generally know what church/synagogue/mosque any of the Trumps attend? Now if Ivanka was a former member of the Nation of Islam, perhaps that would be a face palm moment.
It should not be legal for billionaires to throw their money at election campaigns, not their own or anyone's. I assume that this sentiment also applies to non-billionaires as well billionaires. If you can figure out a way to do this constitutionally, I'd like to hear how that might work. What I find more problematic than the money the candidates spend is the money spent by anonymous non-candidate sources on behalf of their candidates. That money generally dwarfs the amounts the candidates have access to. Yet I see no constitutional way to outlaw such spending. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1130 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
The Republicans have to stay far enough right that the Libertarian candidates don't pick up enough from the Republicans to cause a Democrat win. According to RealClearPolitics.com, Johnson (L) is polling at very roughly the difference between Clinton & Trump.
But Republicans can't move too far right to lose the Independent-ish Republican-ish people to non-vote or Democrat.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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On most issues Libertarians are not to the right of the Repubs. Then again Libertarians change their views daily. Anything that threatens their personal greed, they are against. The party of the spoiled rotten child. Worse than repubs in that manner.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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