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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Does that sound like Anybody you know?
Nobody likes a know-it-all if the know-it-all uses their wisdom to belittle others.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Not really.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Doesn't, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God," sound like belittling to you?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
in order for God to be truly great, it only makes sense that everyone else pales by comparison. You want to have the same abilities as god has without having earned nor learned them..
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
On the contrary, I just want to be left alone to use the abilities I have as I see fit, without the threat of eternal damnation.
You want to have the same abilities as god has without having earned nor learned them..
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK, so this in essence proves my assertion that I made to Theodoric.
Phat writes:
There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so.Theodoric writes: So you going to stick with this? This whole idea of "wanting to be left alone" seems to me to be a common theme among the two categories that Theodoric brought up.
Gnostic Atheist - Knows there is no god and does not believe either Seems you have this irrational idea that even if god existed he would likely be mean and demanding...thus why not just leave humans alone to responsibly evolve into their own destiny?Agnostic Atheist - Concedes has no knowledge there is no god, but has no belief or reason to believe there is. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Wanting to be left alone is not the same as preferring that there was no God. I also want you gun-toting Americans to leave me alone. That doesn't mean I'd prefer that you didn't exist. I just want you to keep your violence away from me.
This whole idea of "wanting to be left alone" seems to me to be a common theme among the two categories that Theodoric brought up. Phat writes:
It isn't my idea. I'm just going by your description.
Seems you have this irrational idea that even if god existed he would likely be mean and demanding...
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I can see where you would rationally conclude that you had more common sense and wisdom than any given "gun-toting" American. To assume that you have more wisdom at running your own life than a Creator of all seen and unseen...however....is hubris at best.
You can easily reject a God improperly described and defined by others. What you would be wise not to do, however, is to reject the actual GOD... What makes you think that humans can get along better without GOD? Seems to me your only evidence comes from other fallible and imperfect humans. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined:
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Try reading your last sentence again.
Seems to me your only evidence comes from other fallible and imperfect humans.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose that could be considered a tad ironic!
For me personally, I dont count on evidence...I favor subjective experience. I also gather subjective experience of other humans....so i suppose I'm as guilty as i accuse ringo of being.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why? If there was intelligent life in the universe even slightly more advanced that us, would you think they could determine our interests better than we can ourselves? They'd be more likely to exterminate us like Indians and take our resources.
To assume that you have more wisdom at running your own life than a Creator of all seen and unseen...however....is hubris at best. Phat writes:
I just consider not being eternally incinerated "better". Call me crazy.
What makes you think that humans can get along better without GOD?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If there was intelligent life in the universe even slightly more advanced that us, would you think they could determine our interests better than we can ourselves? They'd be more likely to exterminate us like Indians and take our resources. Which supports the argument that all life in general is at its core selfish. The whole point of the Bible story is not that of a GOD who incinerates us. (unless you are again being the public defender for satan and the fallen rebellious.)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Incinerates us, floods us, lets us be enslaved by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans, and on and on. You seem to be snipping out a lot of the Bible to determine the "whole" point.
The whole point of the Bible story is not that of a GOD who incinerates us.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
In each of the examples you mention, the people brought it upon themselves. They were either disobedient, worshiping idols, or flat out evil. Care to comment?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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I just want to be disobedient. Am I destined for hell?
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