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Tangle
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Message 196 of 1163 (786970)
06-30-2016 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by mike the wiz
06-30-2016 7:15 AM


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"Khan...you had it your way once, are you game for a re-match?.....Khan?....I'm LAUGHING at the "superior" intellect!" - Captain Kirk - The Wrath Of Khan.
  —Mike
Would you like me to point out the fallacies in this post or do you want to look it up for yourself?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Dr Adequate
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Message 197 of 1163 (786983)
06-30-2016 11:15 AM
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06-30-2016 7:15 AM


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"Khan...you had it your way once, are you game for a re-match?.....Khan?....I'm LAUGHING at the "superior" intellect!" - Captain Kirk - The Wrath Of Khan
So, you have no explanation for the order in the fossil record?
Thought not.
And it seems that you wish to expose your pitiful ignorance on a creationist forum where it will go unchallenged. But Mike, that doesn't stop it from being stupid.

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edge
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Message 198 of 1163 (786994)
06-30-2016 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by mike the wiz
06-30-2016 7:15 AM


Well, I'd like to suggest to Mike that there's a ton of antecedents that haven't been found in Cambrian rocks.
Get to work, man!!

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edge
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Message 199 of 1163 (786995)
06-30-2016 6:38 PM
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06-30-2016 7:35 AM


Heh, heh ...
Good point.
For a guy who is so hung up on our logical fallacies, he seems awfully prone to making a large number of them himself.

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ICANT
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Message 200 of 1163 (787006)
07-01-2016 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-13-2016 2:08 PM


Hi Dr
Dr writes:
We should not anticipate that any creationist will ever explain the actual features of the fossil record in terms of the Flood. It is unlikely at this late date that any of them is going to find out what the fossil record looks like, an activity which would both contradict their prejudices and involve doing some actual work. But I invite any creationist who wants to to give it a try.
I am a creationist and I don't believe any of the drivel you have wrote in this post.
This garbage was started by Ellen G. White in Her visions of the Flood and its aftermath, published in 1864, which described a catastrophic Deluge that reshaped the entire surface of the Earth,
The flood described in the Bible is nothing like the one you guys are always writing about.
I believe in a very old universe. Probably much older than you do.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Dr Adequate
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Message 201 of 1163 (787007)
07-01-2016 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by ICANT
07-01-2016 1:56 AM


I am a creationist and I don't believe any of the drivel you have wrote in this post.
Good, good. Now if you could just convince the other creationists that it's drivel. I was there already, I'm not arguing.
I believe in a very old universe. Probably much older than you do.
Creationists. Even when they're right, they're still wrong.

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herebedragons
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Message 202 of 1163 (787014)
07-01-2016 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by mike the wiz
06-30-2016 7:15 AM


Mike, EFF is not a debate forum, it is an evangelism platform. Members are banned without cause or warning and even without knowing what "rule" they violated. Not only are moderators active participants, but they bait non-YEC members into breaking the forum rules (Percy does not participate in threads he is actively moderating). I spent some time there a couple years ago and found it an extremely frustrating experience.
It's really not a matter of EFF moderators keeping debate civil since YEC members are allowed to be very insulting (but of course since they don't use profanity and are simply telling the "truth" about "stupid, lying evolutionists" they are not being uncivil). Before you complain about sweeping generalizations of creationists and uncivil discourse here at EvC, you should take a good look in the mirror (not referring to you personally, but the whole of the EFF experience). This includes EFF members emphasis on "logical fallacies" by evolutionists, while ignoring their own lack of logic. My experience with you is that you like to swing by here for a couple posts, sling around a few insults (do I need to quote you?) and then disappear without defending your assertions. Think about it Mike, this behavior would certainly get a person banned at EFF, yet you have no qualms about doing it yourself over here. If you were really interested in civil, honest debate, you wouldn't behave in a way contrary to civil, honest debate. This is not a good indicator of how debate would go over at EFF.
Sometimes EvC does get a bit dull since there isn't much debate as there are very few creationists who frequent the forum and I don't much care for political discussions. I have even considered re-joining EFF under a different screen name, but decided it was really just a waste of time, since I am interested in intelligent, scientific debate and EFF is just not a conducive platform for that.
I also realize the advantage to debating on your home turf, with favorable numbers on your "side," and I realize the unattractiveness of debating in a "hostile" environment. But don't fool yourself into thinking that EFF is a neutral, non-hostile environment, because it is every bit as hostile to an evolutionist as EvC is to a creationist; which would be fine, I could deal with that, but the level of scientific discussion over there is just dismal. And so, for me, it is just not worth the effort to bring the discussion there.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Pressie
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Message 203 of 1163 (787016)
07-01-2016 7:51 AM
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06-30-2016 7:15 AM


Hey, mike the wiz, I was banned from that forum years ago. For no reason at all. How do you expect me to talk to you over there?

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herebedragons
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Message 204 of 1163 (787017)
07-01-2016 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by ICANT
07-01-2016 1:56 AM


I am a creationist and I don't believe any of the drivel you have wrote in this post.
Herein lies one of the biggest problems with creationist ideas: there is no coherent, unifying theory. Every creationist has his/her own unique spin on the story. Even the Bible doesn't bring unification to the study of "creation science" since everyone interprets the Scriptures a bit different in regard to the creation story.
Evolution, on the other hand, is described as the single most unifying theory in all of Biology, and it certainly is. It may even be the most unifying theory in all of science since it brings so many disciplines into a coherent, systematic body of study.
The ToE may be wrong and it may need to be majorly revised in the future, but for now it WORKS! It serves to tie together everything we know about Biology, Geology, Environmental Science, Ecology, Paleontology, and more, and provide us with a framework that simply WORKS; it allows us to answer questions, solve problems, and understand the world around us. Creationism has nothing like that, nothing - its just a loose collection of general ideals that vary from person to person.
HBD
Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 205 of 1163 (787018)
07-01-2016 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Pressie
07-01-2016 7:51 AM


There was a reason... You didn't convert.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Pressie
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Message 206 of 1163 (787021)
07-01-2016 8:24 AM
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07-01-2016 7:53 AM


There was a reason... You didn't convert.
Yeah, I never converted to YECism on that forum.
They never gave cohesive reasons for banning me. They just banned me. No reason at all. Something about me 'going to burn forever when I die and they don't want to be affected'. That was it.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 207 of 1163 (787024)
07-01-2016 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by herebedragons
07-01-2016 7:38 AM


ITYM "EFT" for Evolution Fairy Tale?
The boss over there, Fred Williams, used to post here back in the day.

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Pressie
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Message 208 of 1163 (787026)
07-01-2016 8:59 AM
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07-01-2016 8:24 AM


mike the wiz, you still don't want to answer me on geological periods not being 'rock layers'. Take your time, mike the wiz. I've read most of the nonsense written by creationists about geology. Every single one of them told lots and lots of untruths about everything.

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Pressie
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Message 209 of 1163 (787027)
07-01-2016 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by JonF
07-01-2016 8:43 AM


That must have been a blast. He actually is very entertaining.

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edge
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Message 210 of 1163 (787036)
07-01-2016 1:25 PM
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07-01-2016 9:01 AM


That must have been a blast. He actually is very entertaining.
I suppose that's one way of putting it.

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