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Pressie Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Tangle writes: More or less similar (well, except for Zimbabweans. They walk across the border and it seems like the locals are starting to hack them to death). You need a visa to study here and a visa to work here - it'll be the same in SA I guess? It is in most countries. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
In 2014 the Polish income per person was $14,331 U.S. and in actual purchasing power it was $25,265. The purchasing power (PPP) will be about $29,000 per person average by 2017 and 34,302 in 2020.
That purchasing power "feel" the average Pole will enjoy in their native land is about the same as the large E.U. countries of Britain, France, Italy, Germany, etc. But in 2004 the average income was 2004 $6,643 U.S. and a PPP of $14,174. Why on Earth would British keep complaining about those "poor Poles" incentivized to leave their land for other E.U. countries with all the progress? Better to complain about the Ukraine and it's E.U. situation. It had an average income of 2015$2,004 U.S. in 2015 and with a PPP of $7,518. The Polish situation shows that progress is happening fast with (once) poor countries joining the E.U. The Ukraine example shows that the pain (of immigrants coming to "our country" for economic relief from miserable situations at home) will be prolonged. Why not get the transition over with quickly instead of dragging it out for decades longer? Honestly. Lets get on with looking at the evidence so progress can happen quickly when policy is adjusted when based on facts. Ignorance is hurting growth badly. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
That's your opinion. The majority of Britons seem to disagree.
I used the word dictatorial to point out that the European Commission isn't.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: |
It's not a matter of opinion. The European Commission is not dictatorial as a matter of fact. It cannot dictate.
This referendum has been a triumph of ignorance over reason.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: |
Studying here doesn't give you rights to remain after - that's always been the case, it's just that it's only fairly recently begun being really enforced. This is wrong. There used to be a two year right to stay when your study visa expired. It was abolished in 2012 and led to instant and huge reduction in Indian students coming to the UK.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Jack writes: This is wrong. There used to be a two year right to stay when your study visa expired. It was abolished in 2012 and led to instant and huge reduction in Indian students coming to the UK. That doesn't seem to correlate to Pressie's experience. But in any case, curtailing that right is reasonable if you feel that immigration has become a problem.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Mr jack writes:
Of course it can. Like any federal system, it has the power to overrule the sovereignty of any of its constituent states, provinces, etc.
It cannot dictate. Mr jack writes:
Yes, that's democracy in action. We, the people, have a right to protect our ignorance from the "reason" of despots. This referendum has been a triumph of ignorance over reason.![]()
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Pressie Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
That doesn't seem to correlate to Pressie's experience. But in any case, curtailing that right is reasonable if you feel that immigration has become a problem. Not really. Maybe the problem is that the UK Government fails to distinguish between people who are actually very specialised in what they do and people who go to the UK doing some course in 'English language' as a second language and then overstay their visas. The current UK Govt (and those who came before them for decades) tend and tended to evaluate those different types of graduates as all being the same. Maybe the UK out of the EU should consider something like the OZ point system, with major tweaks involved. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Nigel Farage to quit as UKIP leader in wake of 'Brexit' vote | CNN
quote: First Boris. And now Nigel. The two main proponents of Brexit now seem to be distancing themselves from the aftermath of the vote. Am I the only one that seems to be getting the impression that neither of them thought that this vote would go their way? And now that it has, they appear to be running for the exits.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 396 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
That's about the size of it. Boris was Mayor of London, and Farage used to be a commodities broker. They both understand the economic damage which is being done, and both know they lied their sorry arses off to cause it.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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jar Member (Idle past 162 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is there a precedent for allowing a Mulligan?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
They've done it twice in Quebec, so far. Keep asking until you get the answer you want.
Is there a precedent for allowing a Mulligan?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9633 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Pressie writes: Maybe the UK out of the EU should consider something like the OZ point system, with major tweaks involved. In as much as there's a plan, that's it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
A 12% drop this year against the dollar. Good job Brexit supporters. Superb. P.s. Don't forget to check google news for the continued collapse of the pound.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2800 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes: A 12% drop this year against the dollar. Good job Brexit supporters. Superb. Yes. That'll help exports and improve the balance of payments if it's not just a jitter. Meanwhile, the FTSE 100 is at an 11 month high.
Lamark writes: P.s. Don't forget to check google news for the continued collapse of the pound. I think you'll be disappointed, if that was meant as a prediction.
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