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NoNukes Inactive Member
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but it will be hard to find someone lower than Pete Rose. OJ Aaron Hernandez, Rae Carruth, Adam Johnson? Unfortunately, this is pretty easy... I bet we could name a few active players who challenge Pete Rose. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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but sometimes it is rational and good to accept at least provisionally what a bunch of people have to say about something When is it rational to do that? It is certainly possible that a bunch of people might be right about something, but how do you know when that situation arises? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Since California is so close, I am wondering if that was intentional as a means to dissuade Sander's supporters from voting in their local primary if they feel the results are now moot. Was California close? I did not see any polls suggesting that Bernie had a chance in California, and he ended up losing by double digits. And even a win in California would not have given Bernie much of a chance. It is probably the case that the announcement cost Bernies some support, but maybe those kind of things happen when you are 3 million votes short of what your opponent has managed. Beyond that, is there really something nefarious about discussing the vote count once Hillary had the required number of delegates? Apparently the overwhelming majority all of the super delegates are on public record as to which candidate they support?
Nonetheless, we appear to now have a center-right Democrat that placates to Goldman Sax versus a Crazy Orange Jack-o-lantern that wants to build thousands of miles of border fence and ban all Muslims from the USA. That is indeed unfortunate. I'll go with the center-right verses the loose cannon xeno. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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She does NOT have a majority of the 4766 delegates with elected delegates, this is what I posted Wednesday morning on Facebook: So what? The reality is that the super delegates do count. It is also the case that the current voting preferences for the overwhelming majority of those super delegates are public knowledge. I understand that Bernie does not like that situation, but my question remains, why should the current standing of the candidates, including all pledged delegates not be reported? Or conversely, why is reporting that reality considered nefarious. Or viewed yet another way, if Bernie is opposed to super delegates, why does it make sense to include that count in the number of required delegates that must be received? Deduct one half of the total super delegates from the total required. Has Hilary not exceeded that count?
So don't tell me that Sanders is dividing the party, he isn't, DWS, the Clinton Machine and the DNC are. Either candidate can unify the party by conceding to the other side. To this point, Bernie's public support among those who participate in primaries lags behind that of Hilary. What you are suggesting is that the DNC should intervene despite that result. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
he super-delegates are not pledged, can change their mind, and their answering the question is like the results of a poll rather than an election. Right, but at least some of the news articles indicated checking the overwhelming majority of super-delegates (something like 80%) right before announcing that Hilary was over the top. There was nothing nefarious about the news reporting those facts.
Hillary currently leads the pledged delegate count by 379 delegates, although this is being challenged by a full count of all the mail-in ballots in California, it is unlikely that much will change (two precincts have flipped so far). Who is paying attention to that stuff? Should we be paying attention? At this point, the race is over. Bernie has zero chance of winning. His poor showing outside of California pretty much eliminated him. Bernie had no chance even if he had a close split in California.
IFF you consider the reported results are accurate representations of the public, which it isn't. Vote tampering was rampant in many places (purged registrations, reported results at significant variance with exit polls, reported results not matching recounts, etc), So you are postulating a level of error that will significantly cut into that 3 million plus vote lead? Or are we talking about something reasonable well considered as marginal? The primary race is over. Bernie himself will probably tell you the same thing in a few days. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Wouldn't pushing the Democrats to the left help Trump rather than hurt him? On some issues, yes. Overall? That's not clear. What democrats have to worry most about is enthusiasm for the party and some turn of current events that could make more liberal politics fall out of favor. Are those portions of Sanders followers that won't support Hilary as she is currently situated a larger number than the independents who are more centrist? I could not say. Are large numbers of democrats going to stay at home or vote for Trump? Who knows at this point. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Ralph Nader singlehandedly destabilized the Middle East by giving Bush the presidency Single handedly through the works of others eh? Surely that is an oxymoron. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Though many are rarely mentioned in the press, we know a number of members of the Trump inner circle and can begin guessing who might become members of the Trump staff and cabinet. Ivanka Trump might become Chief of Staff, Donald Trump Jr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Eric Trump Secretary of the Interior, Michael Cohen Attorney General, Paul Manafort Secretary of Commerce, and Hope Hicks Press Secretary. Yikes. Thanks for a disturbing afternoon thought. Guess I'd best skip that nap I had planned. I might end up in a dream that I'd welcome having Freddy Krueger interrupt.
Fun fact that doesn't matter but that I'm surprised I didn't already know: Ivanka converted to Judaism in 2009 and took the name Yael before marrying. You did not know it because you don't generally know what church/synagogue/mosque any of the Trumps attend? Now if Ivanka was a former member of the Nation of Islam, perhaps that would be a face palm moment.
It should not be legal for billionaires to throw their money at election campaigns, not their own or anyone's. I assume that this sentiment also applies to non-billionaires as well billionaires. If you can figure out a way to do this constitutionally, I'd like to hear how that might work. What I find more problematic than the money the candidates spend is the money spent by anonymous non-candidate sources on behalf of their candidates. That money generally dwarfs the amounts the candidates have access to. Yet I see no constitutional way to outlaw such spending. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It is called the right wing base. The right wing base (like the left wing base) is too small to rely on for winning anything nationally. Republicans and Democrats must have their base, but generally that base is reliable if they show up. So what campaigns have become about is making sure the base shows up, and attracting as much of the center as possible. If Hillary loses, my guess is that her loss would come from a failure to get enough of those voters that Trump will never reach, to actually show up at the polls in November. I am not worried about any other scenario other than a third party candidate that fails to do anything other than strip a few percentage points away from Hillary so that she either loses, or fails to win by a large enough margin to prevent the legislature from simply picking a winner despite the popular vote. Right now, I would suggest that the election is Hilary's to win or lose. Moving to the left has risks with regards to folks in the middle, but moving right risks having folks stay home. I expect that Hillary will get plenty of competent advice about how to navigate. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But there are a large number of votes to the left of the Democratic base. Right, and there are a large number of votes in the middle that can vote Republican if a candidate moves to the left.
Those are a good # of the people that tend not to vote regularly Yes, some of them don't vote regularly, particularly in non-presidential elections, but just how large a group is that. And how many of those folks won't go to the polls just out of fear of a Trump planet. If you really know the answer to those questions, then you can make a conclusion about whether Hillary would be better served by moving to the left. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Probably not anything new to report on Trump as a blustering buffoon again, but the latest CNN headline has Trump attacking his former rivals for not supporting Trump's candidacy.
quote: Of course, just three months ago, Trump reneged on his own promise to support the candidate who won the primary. In fact so did Cruz and at least one other candidate. Kinda silly to have made those statements a few months ago, and then to take the position Trump now takes. GOP candidates back off pledge to support nominee | CNN Politics
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams |
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He is a global warming is a hoax type. I'd call him the Wing Nut's wing nut. But apparently at least one person thinks that Pence is not hateful enough... Warning, for some reason, the linked page seems to consume lots of CPU on my computer. You may not want to follow the link. Ann Coulter: ‘Pence Is the Combo-Platter of Disaster’
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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I have personally heard several times from members of that cohort that both parties are essentially their enemies. Obviously neither major party will likely survive this cohort in 20 years without major changes for the better. Probably true. But at least the Democrats have been shown a path for change and there are progressives in the party beyond Sanders (who is obviously not the future for the party). I don't know what the Republicans are going to do about their future. Move further right? Be content with winning gerrymandered state races? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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So: NO, Gore was NOT a viable candidate. Gore came within a thousand or so votes of winning, and it is completely possible absent some tomfoolery that he was due enough votes to win. This against a president that easily won his second election even after getting us into a war in Iraq. Gore was viable. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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I came across this post on Yahoo that I thought was the perfect summary of the current election. I can't link to it directly, so I cut and pasted the content here. Thought it was worth sharing. I will be voting based on a single issue this year and that is the issue of who gets to make appointments to the Supreme Court and the rest of the federal bench. There is no question for me of which presidential candidate I want to see making those appointments, or which senators I will support in the elections to come. Almost certainly, the next president will be picking at least two, and most probably three Justices. As an example: The NC voter ID law specifically targeted democratic voters by removing polling places for college students and African Americans, not allowing state issued college student ids to be used for voting while accepting gun permits and reducing early voting days. The legislature actually used racial democratic data to identify which poling places to close and which measures to adopt. The federal district court judge saw nothing wrong with any of that. Fortunately, the judges on the Fourth Circuit judges had no problem looking at the trees and finding a forest. The Fifth Circuit similarly found identical problems in Texas. The federal courts in this area also deal with racially gerrymandered districts which have result in state legislatures that are heavily republican despite the fact that the state is nearly evenly split during national contests. If you are at all interested in having Citzens United overturned, or ensuring that Roe V. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges remain the law of the land, you cannot allow Trump and his 'party of Lincoln' to be the folks who selects and confirm judges for the Supreme Court, the federal circuit courts, or even the federal district courts. In my opinion, the issue of Justice/judge selection alone is too important to ignore. In my opinion, we cannot trust even Libertarians to do the right thing is this area. I'm sorry that we don't have Bernie to rely on, but there is no way at this point, that I'd vote for anyone other than Clinton.
Far Right Republicans are all about personal freedoms, unless you're a woman, then get in the kitchen and pump out some babies. Exactly. Republicans are about the personal freedoms that existed in the 1950s and to hell with any of those new fangled, liberal freedoms gained in the 1960s, 1970s; and especially not anything we recognized in this century. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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