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ringo
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Message 1534 of 1639 (786520)
06-22-2016 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1532 by Theodoric
06-22-2016 4:34 PM


Theodoric writes:
Because the laws of physics don't influence politics.
Seems quite silly to think the two things are at all related.
On the contrary, I don't see why the two wouldn't be analogous.
Theodoric writes:
I do think if the Democratic Party advocated for state sponsored socialism there would be backlash, because that is far out of the norm.
That's what I was asking. So your answer is "yes", not "no".
Theodoric writes:
What Bernie Sanders has advocated is well within the norm.
I would think that the word "socialist" alone would be enough to cause a backlash.

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ringo
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Message 1535 of 1639 (786521)
06-22-2016 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1533 by Theodoric
06-22-2016 4:35 PM


Theodoric writes:
Because there is no evidence to show such a thing.
I asked a question and you answered "no". The onus is on you to provide backing for your answer.

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ringo
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Message 1540 of 1639 (786567)
06-23-2016 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1538 by Theodoric
06-22-2016 8:08 PM


Theodoric writes:
The US is a socialist country. A poor example of one, but many of our institutions are socialist already.
It makes no diference whether the US "is" socialist or not. The point is that the word "socialist" is enough to get some people almost in a lynching mood. To those people, a candidate self-identifying as "socialist" - whether he really "is" socialist or not - is almost certain to drive some people to vote for anybody but him, isn't it?
I may not have any "evidence" for what's blatantly obvious but that doesn't stop it from being blatantly obvious. You and I both know that people will bend over to pick up a dollar that they find on the street, whether there are any scholarly studies on the subject or not.
Theodoric writes:
This is an argument the right is trying to use but it is only getting traction among a small population.
So your answer is, "Yes, among a small (segment of the) population," not, "No."
Theodoric writes:
Not sure how you can show that as happening.
You just did.

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ringo
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Message 1553 of 1639 (786666)
06-24-2016 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1542 by Theodoric
06-23-2016 3:48 PM


Theodoric writes:
The right and trump already had that population. It is called the right wing base.
So you're claiming that nobody shifted a little farther to the right because of Bernie Sanders? Even if you took a poll, you can't speak for everybody.

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ringo
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Message 1561 of 1639 (786709)
06-25-2016 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1560 by Theodoric
06-24-2016 7:04 PM


Theodoric writes:
I never made such a claim.
In Message 1511 I asked in good faith, "Wouldn't pushing the Democrats to the left help Trump rather than hurt him?"
In Message 1512 you replied, "No," which suggests to me that you were claiming that (Bernie Sanders) pushing to the left would not help Trump.
In Message 1538 you finally admitted that, "This is an argument the right is trying to use but it is only getting traction among a small population." So the so-called "strawman" is getting traction, just not much.
You seem to be admitting that yes, (Bernie Sanders) pushing the Democrats to the left will help Trump - just not enough to effect the outcome of the election. That's all I was asking.
My guess is that your "analysis" is based more on wishful thinking than reality, judging by the "analysis" of Trump's chances to date. I've already predicted in Message 428 that Trump will be elected. I hope I'm wrong but I don't like to underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

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ringo
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Message 1588 of 1639 (787683)
07-20-2016 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1587 by Pressie
07-20-2016 7:10 AM


Pressie writes:
Never heard anything about building that wall.... Something's changed in the meantime.
Sanity?
Maybe Trump will get fewer votes in the election than he did in the primary.

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ringo
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Message 1625 of 1639 (788880)
08-06-2016 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1622 by frako
08-06-2016 4:35 AM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
frako writes:
He took the simpler route and just took it back, knowing that crimeans would be happy about it.
Somebody did something similar in 1938 in a little place called Sudetenland.

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