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Topic: Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Message 1591 of 1639 (788082)
07-25-2016 7:11 PM
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We now see the extent of the damages Sanders have done to the progressive movement. The SOB Sanders worked hard to give the election to Trump, and now it's working. His supporters are protesting the dem convention. If this continues, Trump will probably win. And this is why I hate the far left. Ruins it for the rest of us. We can't win on passion alone goddamn it. We need to be smart about it.
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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frako
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Or you could say that DOB Hillary should have not cheated 
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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New Cat's Eye
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We now see the extent of the damages Sanders have done to the progressive movement. Yeah, but how does that compare to the damages that Hillary did?
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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We can't win on passion alone goddamn it.
I suppose this is where the saying, "Democrats fall in love where Republicans fall in line."
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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What damages are you referring to? If you are referring to 2008, she did not go too far the way Sanders have. I hold Nader personally responsible for the lives lost in Iraq. If Trump wins, I will hold Sanders personally responsible for all the ills that Trump will do.
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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New Cat's Eye
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What damages are you referring to? Being a conservative bully.
I hold Nader personally responsible for the lives lost in Iraq. If Trump wins, I will hold Sanders personally responsible for all the ills that Trump will do. Wow, that's a whole new level of crazy. Do you hold the police force responsible for all of the gang gun violence in Chicago? Like, it's not the gangs fault for shooting each other, it's the anti-gangs fault for not stopping it? Is that how you view things?
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Do you or do you not deny that Nader cost Gore the election?
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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New Cat's Eye
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Do you or do you not deny that Nader cost Gore the election? I do neither. But I don't see the point in looking at it any other way than whether or not Gore appealed to enough people to garner enough votes to get elected. You could just as easily say that Gore cost Nader the election, no? Or Bush cost them both the election... Why blame one guy for a complex problem?
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Because Gore was a more viable candidate than Nader ever was. Nader siphoned enough votes to tip the balance against Gore. If the green party seriously want to change things, they need to start from the bottom up. Go municipal, city, state, etc. But they go straight to the presidency that they know they have no chance of winning. They also know the only thing they can do is siphon votes from the dem candidate. Can you say with a straight face that Nader had any chance at all of winning the presidency?
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Gore cost Gore the election. His personality was WRONG. Kinda like Clinton if she should lose to the asshole. Florida was not NOT changed by Naderites. Perhaps there is an argument that New Hampshire could have been - and that would have given Gore the election, but this ignores the big dead donkey in the room in the form of Albert Gore. So: NO, Gore was NOT a viable candidate.
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NoNukes
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So: NO, Gore was NOT a viable candidate. Gore came within a thousand or so votes of winning, and it is completely possible absent some tomfoolery that he was due enough votes to win. This against a president that easily won his second election even after getting us into a war in Iraq. Gore was viable.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Memo: Gore won the popular vote. And in Florida he came within a thousand votes to winning that state.
If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2324 Joined: 12-22-2015 Member Rating: 1.2
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Hillary has a 56% negative rating, Trump only 53%.
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We now see the extent of the damages Sanders have done to the progressive movement. The SOB Sanders worked hard to give the election to Trump, and now it's working. His supporters are protesting the dem convention. If this continues, Trump will probably win.
And this is why I hate the far left. Ruins it for the rest of us. We can't win on passion alone goddamn it. We need to be smart about it.
Hillary was getting spanked by the GOP favorite Marco Rubio. Trump pulled off an unlikely win in the primary. He was so unpopular (and frankly still is), that his polls numbers kept him about 5% below Hillary, so she looked o.k. ONLY when compared to Trump. Hillary has consistently had negatives around 55% and they seem to be getting a little worse. Trump actually looks o.k. compared to her. If Sanders was the nominee, then Trump would be at 55%-65% negative rating, and Sanders would be at 50% negatives or below. Sanders was a transcendental type of figure, who could get all sorts of voters (not just liberals and partisan Democrats like Hillary) with his call for health-care as a human right. Better, cheaper, health care. Hillary attacked him in a very dishonest way. Take away liberals and Hillary has negatives that are like 70%. Sanders has immensely lower negatives among non-liberals. (Sorry to be out of syn with you Lammy, but reality has its own version of reality you know.)
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Message 1604 of 1639 (788182)
07-26-2016 5:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 1601 by NoNukes
07-26-2016 3:56 PM
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Gore should have BLOWN GW away 57% to 43. Basically he blew a bunny layup with nobody on him.
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.5
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Ah, but this aint a democracy, is it? What counts is the Electoral College.
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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