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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
Faith 
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Message 181 of 1257 (788142)
07-26-2016 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2016 1:18 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
Oh please. There would be successive shorelines as the water rose and then as it receded.

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Message 182 of 1257 (788144)
07-26-2016 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
07-25-2016 4:20 AM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
Faith writes:
But the strata often have tight contacts between them and no loose soil at all between the layers, just to repeat that.
And Vimesey replied:
And to repeat, the strata themselves were the loose soil. They rested, one on top of the other, as layers of soil. (Or sediment, if you prefer). There was no loose layer of soil in between - they were layers of soil on top of each other. They then got lithified into layers of rock on top of each other. Layers of rock are what layers of lithified soil look like.
Faith, you apparently are working under a misconception that's been explained to you. The least you could do is acknowledge you were wrong & adjust your arguments accordingly. You believe we should find dirt between the rock layers & that's wrong. We shouldn't (& don't) find dirt - funny how you're ignoring this.

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jar
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Message 183 of 1257 (788145)
07-26-2016 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
07-26-2016 12:14 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
Faith writes:
Any shore lines of worldwide extent, or continent-covering extent for that matter, have to be from the Flood.
Now that is a really stupid comment.
Are there not shorelines now?

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Message 184 of 1257 (788147)
07-26-2016 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Faith
07-26-2016 1:17 PM


Hi Faith
Faith writes:
Maybe I'll come up with a fresh approach to the OP topic. We'll see.
Why not accept my challenge I issued in Message 29 where I said.
quote:
I would like to challenge you to present a argument using the King James Version Bible and the Hebrew text to convince me that the catastrophic flood you believe covered the earth is Biblical.
You could make it into a great debate and would not have to contend with comments from the other members.
The only requirement would be that the Word of God be the final authority. No one else, not you, not me and not anyone's word that does not have God's Word backing it.
Assertions will not count and neither will assumptions only the Word.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Faith 
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Message 185 of 1257 (788148)
07-26-2016 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by ICANT
07-26-2016 2:35 PM


I'm really not interested in trying to convince you of the biblical basis of the Flood, ICANT. It's been understood as I understand it through at least three millennia of Bible believers and if their understanding of it hasn't convinced you nothing will. I certainly wouldn't want to try to prove anything from the Hebrew text anyway since I've never studied it and it would be easy to deceive me about it.
I'd really like to try to do a better job on the OP eventually if I can.

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Faith 
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Message 186 of 1257 (788149)
07-26-2016 2:45 PM
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07-26-2016 1:44 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
Usually people are trying to prove there IS loose dirt between layers. There's nothing for me to acknowledge that I can see. Everybody has their own take on things. Vimesey's doesn't represent any particular view I'm aware of.

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Faith 
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Message 187 of 1257 (788150)
07-26-2016 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by jar
07-26-2016 1:48 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
What?

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Message 188 of 1257 (788152)
07-26-2016 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
07-26-2016 2:45 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
quote:
Usually people are trying to prove there IS loose dirt between layers
Really ? Or is this one of those things that just "seems true" to you (and isn't at all)
Evidence please.
quote:
There's nothing for me to acknowledge that I can see.
Well, you could admit that your statement was silly and wrong, but I guess you refuse to see that. (Really, why would the soil remain loose and unlithified if the sediment above it did not ?)

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Faith 
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Message 189 of 1257 (788154)
07-26-2016 3:01 PM
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07-26-2016 2:54 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
I guess you've forgotten all those tedious arguments about erosion between the layers?

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Message 190 of 1257 (788157)
07-26-2016 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Faith
07-26-2016 3:01 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
Try thinking about what you are saying. The only person who should expect loose fragments between strata is you, with your bizarre ideas about angular unconformities.

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jar
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Message 191 of 1257 (788158)
07-26-2016 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Faith
07-26-2016 2:45 PM


Re: and multiple shore lines
It was a pretty simple question Faith. Are there shorelines today?
Supposedly the flood you say happened took one year and was universal. That would be one constantly higher shoreline everywhere on Earth and then almost immediately one receding shoreline.
But once again, reality says "That never happened." There is not only no such evidence but rather there are examples all over the world of sequential shorelines, that bugaboo of Creationism recurring feature.
The is no way your magic flood can produce recurring sequences of shorelines of varves or limestone layers or any of the other things found in the real world.

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Faith 
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Message 192 of 1257 (788159)
07-26-2016 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by PaulK
07-26-2016 2:54 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
what statement was silly and wrong? I didn't even really get what Vimesey was saying and I have lots of stuff here demanding my attention so I don't always respond right away to something I don't understand. I may come back to vimesey eventually or he could remind me of it if he wants. There is nothing underhanded in my response or lack of it that I know of so this constant accusation of some such attitude is utterly incomprehensible.
You are certainly not willing to give an inch on anything I say, your remarks are particularly harsh, acid in the face. I don't get this, really I don't. What's this need to pounce on me about every little thing and accuse and accuse and accuse? I don't get it. I hardly ever have anything like the motives ascribed to me. Most of the time I haven't a clue why I'm being trashed and accused. You are the most aggressive one about it but you aren't alone. Most of the time I'm preoccupied with something else than whatever I'm getting smacked around about. I don't get it.

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Message 193 of 1257 (788161)
07-26-2016 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
07-26-2016 11:30 AM


Re: Cretaceous dinosaur fossils in area that was underwater for the whole time period
However, It has occurred to me that an actual contradiction between the geological fantasies of the former time periods, and something like the observable shorelines of former bodies of water, could emerge and expose the fantasy.
Again, that would only be true if geologists were frauds or incompetent. Your only information in this Quixotic quest is what those scientists have provided. So far what has "occurred to" you is naught point zip.
There are also issues with Stonehenge, the Pyramids, and some old cave paintings in Europe and Asia surviving a world wide flood if you ever get past the geology issues.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Message 194 of 1257 (788163)
07-26-2016 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
07-26-2016 2:45 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
Usually people are trying to prove there IS loose dirt between layers.
I have not seen anyone here claim that to be the case. Instead people have been pointed out that strata lithification occurs from the lower layers up, so that any lower layers would turn to rock before the upper layers. In addition people have pointed out that your picture of continent wide, uniformly straight layers is bogus.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

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PaulK
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Message 195 of 1257 (788164)
07-26-2016 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
07-26-2016 3:22 PM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
quote:
what statement was silly and wrong?
The idea that we should expect to find loose soil between strata. Surely that would only happen if modern soil managed to infiltrate the rock.
quote:
You are certainly not willing to give an inch on anything I say, your remarks are particularly harsh, acid in the face. I don't get this, really I don't.
My words are often less harsh than you deserve. You go around pronouncing the daft things you make up as facts. You harshly and falsely condemn those who disagree with you - often simply in an attempt to discredit their statements. You aggressively defend your errors - how long did it take to get you to admit that you were wrong about the Chinle Formation ? And you get hurt when people point out that you are wrong and that you are reluctant to admit your errors ?
What amazing hypocrisy.
quote:
Most of the time I haven't a clue why I'm being trashed and accused.
Usually because there is good reason in your own posts.
Seriously you wonder why I suggest that there are things that "seem true" to you - and aren't ? How about this:
Seems to me "a lot of terrestrial dinosaurs distributed through marine geology" has been shown.
From this thread. And followed up not by any actual examples but one piece of bizarre speculation and some "maybes" - none of which had been mentioned befor.

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