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And different than ALL known examples. Waves come in and sandcastles dissolve, the heart drawn in the wet sand showing Br ---> JR 4ever gets wiped clean.The Biblical flood is miraculous but still irrelevant to this topic.

We understand that is what you are saying but once again, reality proves you wrong.The proof that such landscapes are not just imaginary but rather conclusions based on facts is the existence of the fossils that were buried during each of those time periods as well as the correlations of all the different methods of determining relative time periods.

The problem is slightly different.If we look at the geology what we find is unordered layers of similar materials. We find sedimentary layers and igneous layers and organic layers and marine layers and aeolian layers all stacked vertically with different ordering depending on the location examined.But when we look at the fossil evidence we find an entirely different pattern.Biological samples are ordered and in a non-repeating pattern whether we are discussing animals or plants. What we see is a clear evolution of lifeforms that is similar across the whole record. We never find latter forms mixed with earlier forms. The ordering of the biological samples, the record of landscapes, is laid out like a storyboard, like a series of time lapse pictures. The oldest samples show no critters with skeletons. Next we find exoskeletons, then backbones. The first plants are all asexual, then we find sexual reproduction by spores then seeds then pollen.The ordering in biological samples always is evolutionary, changing over time; the types of materials seen in the geological samples are pretty constant over all time. Sedimentary rocks are made the same way they always were. Shale, limestone, lava, ash... the processes simply repeat.The fossils are absolute evidence of a succession of landscapes over vast periods of time where the geological processes continued and repeated but the biological processes themselves changed producing new and unique specimens.

Once again Faith, reality show you are wrong.What we have is not just rocks but rather rocks that contain the absolute proof of those other landscapes. Where the leaf fell a tree grew. Where the critter died the critter lived.It is that ordering of Biological samples that you must explain.Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

It's a good thing no one but Creationists make such silly claims then isn't it Faith.And once again reality shows you are wrong. One great piece of evidence totally refuting your silly depiction is the Appalachians.

Fortunately no one but a Creationist or a four year old would say such a silly thing. You or some Creationist might think something that sill but not the rest of humanity.What people have done is look at what is actually found and honestly keep track of what is found. What is found is as I have pointed out to you before, an orderly progression and evolution of biological samples beginning at the earliest samples and changing over time to what is seen today.The question is how can such an orderly evolution of biological samples be explained?Conventional theory has an explanation and that is evolution over long periods of time. Interestingly the conventional theory also explains the unordered repetitive geological samples found.Unfortunately no Creationist or Biblical Flood supporter has ever been able to present any other theory which explains what actually exists. You might think so but the rest of humanity actually steps back and looks and also gets closer and looks and realizes that what you claim exists is just ignorance and denial.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Not the creationists but rather the absolutely silly posts they make.Reality is that the flat slabs of rock you imagine are simply a fantasy. Sure, there are places where the material has been compressed and lithified and places where the lithified material ls not compressed and it is those areas that add yet additional evidence of what has been going on for billions of years.Just as there are identifiable layers seen at the Grand Canyon there are also identifiable layers that are totally missing there. Those gaps are yet more evidence of the process explained by the conventional theory and unexplained by any Creationist or Biblical Flood theory.I mentioned the Appalachians and that too is important. There we see an example of lithified material that is still in the process of being weathered and eroded down.The process is that high spots get weathered and eroded and the material transported to lower areas which over time flattens all landscapes.None of this is new information Faith; it has been explained to you by countless people in countless posts over more than a decade.

What is absurd is you not understanding that the conventional theories do explain what is found in reality while no Creationist of Biblical Flood theories even exist much less explain what really exists.In addition we can see all the processes involved in the conventional theories going on today in reality as opposed to only in stories in a book.

Too bad the reality once again shows you are wrong. Even at the Grand Canyon the layers are not neatly stacked but rather show erosion and missing parts and different environments over time.Faith, there is nothing miraculous about geology except to the utterly ignorant by choice.

That can only be seen by those who refuse to actually look at the details as has been pointed out to you numerous times. The layers in the Grand Canyon were not all originally straight and flat and the Grand Canyon is not the whole Earth.As has been explained, the actual makeup of any geological column is location dependent and will reflect the landscape of that location over time. Trying to claim that what is seen in pictures taken at a great distance of one location reflects what exists all over the world is simply silly.In areas that were under water in the past (note that time must get included) will show marine type deposits. Areas that were above the water will show aeolian type deposits. Areas covered by magma will show specific characteristics and show whether the magma was released above or below water and whether it cooled above or below water. Areas cover by volcanic ash will show specific ash characteristics. Areas built up by direct biological activities (coral reefs) will show different characteristics than areas built up by accumulation of small non-fixed biological entities. Areas built up from the remains of living creatures (bogs and coal and tundra and peat) will show specific characteristics.Over the last few hundred years a fairly wide survey of the Earth Geology from many locations around the planet has been conducted. We no longer have to rely solely on locations like the Grand Canyon as our knowledge base.What has been found Faith is just what has been pointed out to you numerous times. The geology of any given spot on Earth reflects characteristics common to the geological properties listed above. What has been found is that at each location examined a sequence of materials reflecting various geological processes is indicated and the exact order of those geological materials varies.During the examination of the various places on Earth over the last few hundred years evidence of living critters has been found. Interestingly the nature of the critter corresponds to the nature of the geological materials where the sample is found, terrestrial critters in terrestrial materials and sea critters in sea deposits even when the current surface does not correspond.The existence of the biological samples and the correspondence of critter to environment as seen in the materials that surround the sample show that the critter lived in a specific type of landscape that is reflected by the materials it is buried in.But wait, there is more...while the materials indicate the same processes happening over time from the earliest examples to the most recent, the biological samples so a unique ordering, an evolution of forms over time. Again, this too has been pointed out to you numerous times.What you need to do is provide a convincing theory that can explain what is seen in both the geological and biological samples; not a theory that convinces YOU but rather a theory that convinces Science.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

The USGS has a pretty extensive body of web pages meant to help folk understand the geology (landscapes) of North America. The Our Changing Content page is relevant to this topic. It includes several good drawings showing relative landscape changes over time restricted to just this continent.I will include three specific maps relevant to this topic:The first shows the landscapes of the area during the Pennsylvanian period which was around 300 Million years ago. What is seen (based on the actual geological materials from that period) are deep sea, plains, swamps, shallow seas, low hills, higher hills and mountains. Pretty much the same types of landscapes we see on Earth today.Next is from the Cretaceous period that was from around 150 Million years ago until around 65 Million years ago. Way back in Message 136 I posted links to maps that show additional landscape variations during the Cretaceous period. What is seen is deep sea, plains, swamps, shallow seas, low hills, higher hills, volcanoes and mountains. Pretty much the same types of landscapes we see on Earth today. But notice the locations of the specific landscapes have moved.The third drawing is of the Pleistocene Period which was really pretty recent, only 2.5 Million years ago until only about 11,000 years ago. This last drawing does show a different and unique landscape. There are still mountains and hills and lakes and seas and plains and rivers and all the things we see today but the BIG feature is a vast ice sheet covering much of North America. Again, it is based on the geological materials and features from that period.Now folk can try to argue about the dates, futile as that is, or say they just won't accept such long periods of time but what is not open to argument is the fact that what is represented are landscapes that vary over time.Edited by jar, : add link to other maps of the Cretaceous North America

Except as you have been shown numerous times that is just not true. Each time period is not independent of every other and each time period does not come down to a slab of rock. Those are just stupid ignorant assertions.The geology of any time period varies by both location and time. You have been show that. You certainly should have learned at least that much in the over a decade you have been posting here.In addition no time period simply ended and another started. The processes were continuous, all one time period, that humans later divided up into smaller increments for clarity and common communication and discussion.The composition of the geology at any given point will show many different processes happening over a sequence of time and they are exactly the same processes that are going on today.Think. Examine real evidence instead of fantasy stories. Look at the cores seen in the images shown here.Look at them.None show just a slab of rock.Each show a sequential layering of materials created by different processes. Not just a few samples but lots and lots of samples. Lots and lots of real actual existing hard facts.The Illinois State Geological collection contains over 70,000 sets and over 15,000 cores covering over 1.5 Billion years.The State of Kentucky has another extensive collection as do most states and the Federal government. The Kentucky collection covers over 1.9 Billion years and a sample from every one of those black dots shown below and on the map in the linked page. You need to understand that the geologists and biologists and paleontologists and archeologists are not just working from fiction or imagination but rather millions of actual facts and not from some collection of anonymous stories filled with internal inconsistencies, contradictions and factual errors.AbE:As pointed out earlier; if we look at the geology what we find is unordered layers of similar materials. We find sedimentary layers and igneous layers and organic layers and marine layers and aeolian layers all stacked vertically with different ordering depending on the location examined.But when we look at the fossil evidence we find an entirely different pattern.Biological samples are ordered and in a non-repeating pattern whether we are discussing animals or plants. What we see is a clear evolution of lifeforms that is similar across the whole record. We never find latter forms mixed with earlier forms. The ordering of the biological samples, the record of landscapes, is laid out like a storyboard, like a series of time lapse pictures. The oldest samples show no critters with skeletons. Next we find exoskeletons, then backbones. The first plants are all asexual, then we find sexual reproduction by spores then seeds then pollen.The ordering in biological samples always is evolutionary, changing over time; the types of materials seen in the geological samples are pretty constant over all time. Sedimentary rocks are made the same way they always were. Shale, limestone, lava, ash... the processes simply repeat.The fossils are absolute evidence of a succession of landscapes over vast periods of time where the geological processes continued and repeated but the biological processes themselves changed producing new and unique specimens.What you need to provide is a convincing explanation of how those biological samples got where they are found and ordered as found in reality and an explanation that is sufficient to convince not you, not creationists, not believers in some Biblical flood but general Science.Anything less is just a total, utter and complete failure.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Lots of sea floor became mountains which is why you find marine fossils embeded in mountains.Sea floors do become rock constantly. In fact most sea floors begin as rock.Faith this is all stuff people have gone over for you for over a decade.

You say the absolutely silliest things. It is as though you are totally disconnected from reality.No one but you has ever said anything that stupid.Let me try yet again to keep it simple enough that you can understand.Nothing unusual happens. Things continue just as they are today and have been happening on Earth for Billions of years.Go back and slowly read Message 19. All of your questions are answered there and the process fully explained.Look at the maps linked in Message 136 and Message 378 and Message 380.Change has been continuous since the Earth took form.As the land changed critters moved.With change critters moved but the life span of even the longest lived critter is still very short. Life never started all over again and your fantasy as expressed above is simply silly.The time periods are a human construct we created to aid in understanding but for the critters living during those times it was of no more significance than pointing out that you are living during the Holocene period.The two significant factors though are:that the geological processes have remained constant over the whole life of the Earth.that the biological critters have not remained constant over time and the remains are grouped by common characteristics in an ordered fashion.Your claim of "Higher on the evolutionary ladder according to y'all, but if the whole thing is gone, kaput, extinct, fossilized in the rock, there's no life left to evolve." is more nonsense and not anything anyone has told you.There is no such thing as higher evolved. Let me repeat; there is no such thing as higher evolved.There is change. Not higher change and lower change but just change. And the sole judge of how effective the change was is simply whether or not the species lives long enough to reproduce. Stop posting stupid stuff like the above.

And as you have proven and admitted the Biblical flood cannot explain anything.The Biblical flood is just a couple myths.Edited by jar, : fix quote box