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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1590 of 1639 (788068)
07-25-2016 1:16 PM


Clinton camp chief peddals Russian agents theory on Trump.
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Clinton Campaign Chief Suggests Russians May Be Trying to Help Trump Win - ABC News
Hillary Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook said Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was pushing for a pro-Russian platform and cited experts who say that Russian state actors were behind the recent leak of Democratic National Committee emails in an attempt to help Trump win.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails, and now are leaking them out through these websites, Mook told ABC’s "This Week" on Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.
Mook also suggested that the GOP nominee altered the Republican party platform to make it more attractive to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime.
"It was concerning last week that Donald Trump changed the Republican platform to become what some experts would regard as pro-Russian," Mook said.
Then
on wikileaks
quote:
The 4 Most Damaging Emails From the DNC WikiLeaks Dump - ABC News
The 4 Most Damaging Emails From the DNC WikiLeaks Dump
By ALANA ABRAMSON SHUSHANNAH WALSHE
Wikileaks leaked nearly 20,000 emails on Friday from top Democratic National Committee officials, exchanged from January 2015 through May 2016. Several emails released show that although the DNC was supposed to remain neutral during the primary contest, officials grew increasingly agitated with Bernie Sanders and his campaign, at some points even floating ideas about ways to undermine his candidacy.
The source of the leak has not been revealed, though Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday that he believes the Russians were instrumental in it.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails and now are leaking them out through these websites," Mook said Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump."
Strange that the Hillary camp blasts Trump as an agent for Russia, yet all evidence shows that he is just wanting N-E-U-T-R-A-L policy on Russia.
The DNC (and for that matter Hillary) could learn a little something about neutrality. On multiple fronts.

  
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Message 1603 of 1639 (788176)
07-26-2016 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1591 by coffee_addict
07-25-2016 7:11 PM


Hillary has a 56% negative rating, Trump only 53%.
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We now see the extent of the damages Sanders have done to the progressive movement. The SOB Sanders worked hard to give the election to Trump, and now it's working. His supporters are protesting the dem convention. If this continues, Trump will probably win.
And this is why I hate the far left. Ruins it for the rest of us. We can't win on passion alone goddamn it. We need to be smart about it.
Hillary was getting spanked by the GOP favorite Marco Rubio.
Trump pulled off an unlikely win in the primary.
He was so unpopular (and frankly still is), that his polls numbers kept him about 5% below Hillary, so she looked o.k. ONLY when compared to Trump.
Hillary has consistently had negatives around 55% and they seem to be getting a little worse.
Trump actually looks o.k. compared to her.
If Sanders was the nominee, then Trump would be at 55%-65% negative rating, and Sanders would be at 50% negatives or below.
Sanders was a transcendental type of figure, who could get all sorts of voters (not just liberals and partisan Democrats like Hillary) with his call for health-care as a human right. Better, cheaper, health care. Hillary attacked him in a very dishonest way.
Take away liberals and Hillary has negatives that are like 70%.
Sanders has immensely lower negatives among non-liberals.
(Sorry to be out of syn with you Lammy, but reality has its own version of reality you know.)

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Message 1610 of 1639 (788786)
08-04-2016 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1609 by Diomedes
08-02-2016 11:25 AM


Re: A Perfect Summary 4 polls out today (8/4/16) show a 1% to 4% lead for Hillary.
ursday, August 4
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 43, Trump 39 Clinton +4
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Clinton 45, Trump 44 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Rasmussen Reports Clinton 44, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 3 Clinton +4
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 42, Trump 38, Johnson 6, Stein 2 Clinton +4
realclearpolitics.com
Sad that you have a general election candidate that can't beat Hillary.
Even more telling that Hillary is only marginally ahead of Trump, who has about a 33% approval rating (like 61% negative I think).
Within the polling margin of error in all four.

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Message 1614 of 1639 (788825)
08-05-2016 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1612 by Diomedes
08-05-2016 10:11 AM


Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
On the courts, Hillary getting elected in 2016 will guarantee a GOP win in 2020, so I fail to see how that will help you get your picks. And she said she will appoint that corrupt bastard (from the Oklahoma City trial) Garland. He is about the same in ideology as the typical Reagan/Bush judge.
On Health Care, the individual mandate (plus other mandates) is an issue that people have come to hate as they learn about it (and have to pay the big tax/fine while still not getting insurance), so how will that help anybody but the GOP? Fundamentally, the GOP is the biggest beneficiary of the Affordable Care Act. The individual mandate was the GOP brainchild from the 1990s and have been ever since (Romney championed it the entire decade of the aughts, including as Governor). Romney lost to Obama (for many reasons he could have avoided including his support/championing of the mandate) because people had no candidate who opposed the mandate. And that was before the awful thing even kicked in. Hillary, in 2007/2008 became the first ever Democrat to support the (essentially)right-wing individual mandate. And Obama fought her tooth and nails (2007 to 2008) on the issue, correctly pointing out that it will make it HARDER for people to fund their healthcare. He understated it then, but in August of 2009, he caved in to the right-wing (and special interests that are non-ideological but supportive of the right on this issue) on the issue. The special interest triumphed over the public interest. One liberal democratic congressman (from Cleveland) correctly called the Affordable Care Act a "bailout for the insurance companies", but it was even worse as it a bailout that just kills poor and lower income folks with the mandate.
Electorally, the individual mandate will be the gift that keeps on giving - especially in midterm elections. Unless the mandate is repealed, then the GOP will gain 10-12 Senate seats in 2018. Also, don't forget this. Many Democratic Senators won (very narrowly) in 2012 because Obama opposed gun control (even after the "Batman" shooting in the summer of 2012), but he came out in favor of gun control in December (post-election lol). Trump supports mental health discrimination and background checks, so Hillary lucked out by having him defeat Cruz (who bucked his own part and fellow Senator John Cornyn by opposing the NRA, Obama and Hillary on the background checks). Even Rubio (who supports mental health discriminatory background checks) would have been much better than Trump - on the issue - because he is skilled enough as a politician to slam Hillary hard on other gun-related issues. Rubio is a good political marksman, though not in the GOP primary of course. 2018 Senate seats, Democrats narrowly won in 2012, like Montana, North Dakota, Missouri, Virginia, West Virginia, and others (maybe even Pennsylvania) will easily flip to the GOP.
On Climate Change, Trump is an unknown on that issue. He has only said that he will support policies that keep the 55,000 coal miners employed, but he hasn't said that he won't support win and solar. He might be even more supportive of wind and solar than Hillary (that isn't saying much, granted).
But anyway, the fact that Trump isn't making hay over the Supreme Court and the gun issue being in the balance (now 4-4!) is beyond me. He should be slaughtering her on this issue. He seems clueless. He really can't bet her easily in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Colorado, Florida, and North Carolina just on this one issue alone?
Then again, the fact that he seems so clueless, in the general election (though he did good in the primary thanks to Chris Christie taking down Rubio in the New Hampshire debate), causes one to be even more amazed that Hillary is having so much trouble (The fact that she is so out of touch with human beings & humanity in general is the OBVIOUS answer to the question, but still Trump has a negative to positive ratio of like 2-1).

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1617 of 1639 (788847)
08-05-2016 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1616 by Diomedes
08-05-2016 2:55 PM


Re: Diomedes said the Courts, Health Care, and Climate Change are his 3 issues.
quote:
Someone who Putin would love to see in office
Who knows where Putin stands.
He liked the Soviet Union's larger borders, and didn't like the collapse very much.
He attempted to have Russia join the E.U. up until abut 2006.
Now he speaks like a Russian nationalist.
What does Putin want aside from opposition to NATO expansion?
I have no idea where he stands, and really the western media seems more pro-war than he is.
Putin is willing to use military force, but Russia is not expansionist. NATO, Turkey, and most Sunni Muslim (especially the theocratic nightmare states) states don't like him. Former Soviet nations mostly seem to dislike him. Are they all for the same (or even "right") reasons?
The western media makes Putin liking somebody seem a bad thing. It is really though?

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