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Is A Materialist View Less Parsimonious?

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Message 6 of 42 (789032)
08-09-2016 4:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 4 by Stile
08-09-2016 3:20 PM

Assumptions
Stile,to MTW writes:

Your belief in God may only have one assumption. But one is more than none.

Isnt that the basic difference, though? One side claims one basic assumption: God Exists. The other side makes no such assumptions.

Dictionary.com writes:

noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition:
a correct assumption.
Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.
2.
the act of taking for granted or supposing.
Synonyms: presumption; presupposition.
3.
the act of taking to or upon oneself.
Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering.
4.
the act of taking possession of something:
the assumption of power.
Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation.
5.
arrogance; presumption.
Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.

It is true that believers assume. Scientists don't.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
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08-09-2016 4:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 5 by Tanypteryx
08-09-2016 3:47 PM

Mind Over Matter
Butterfly writes:

You and your fellow creation myth believers are the only ones who think the Universe created itself.


Nonsense. Matter cannot create matter.

The Universe is complex and a simple fantasy about an imaginary entity does not explain anything.
Even if we could share the belief that God exists as a fact rather than a fantasy, we still would have lots of questions. In fact I may need to call you...I have butterflies in my stomach!

Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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08-09-2016 6:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 8 by jar
08-09-2016 4:39 PM

Re: Mind Over Matter
Do you understand equivalency?
Not really. I googled it and didn't find an answer that I could understand. Does it refer to courses taught at various universities having a set standard or consensus as to what is taught?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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08-10-2016 7:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 13 by jar
08-09-2016 6:40 PM

Re: Mind Over Matter
so lets get hypothetical, rather than Biblical. In the beginning....there was

a) Matter
b)Energy
c)Nothing
d) Everything

One wag said it succinctly: In the beginning there was either God or Dirt.

What say you?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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08-11-2016 11:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Dr Adequate
08-10-2016 6:48 PM

Re: Mind Over Matter

We have a picture of the dirt---expanded. We cannot photograph God, however. He is more elusive than Greta Garbo!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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08-11-2016 9:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by jar
08-10-2016 9:10 AM

Re: Mind Over Matter
jar writes:

... energy and matter are interchangeable and so matter can be created from energy or energy from matter.
Further, additional evidence seems to indicate that both are just inherent parts of space/time.

Noted.

jar writes:

I have no idea what "in the beginning" even means.

Are you surmising that matter has always existed?(and/or energy)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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