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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
NoNukes
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Message 481 of 1257 (789146)
08-11-2016 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 480 by Faith
08-11-2016 9:50 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
I suggest you take it back because you neither understand the argument I'm making and how it would destroy the current theory, nor what the possible alternatives would be that you claim would exist.
As a matter of logic, disproving one theory does not prove another theory. So that much of your claim is clearly BS.
I suggest you take it back because you neither understand the argument I'm making
Same stuff, different day.

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Message 482 of 1257 (789147)
08-11-2016 10:15 AM
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08-11-2016 10:07 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Sorry, you can't deny a specific claim with a general statement like that. If the current theory is discredited in a particular way to a particular degree there may be only the Flood left as the reasonable alternative and no general assertion can disprove that. If you are going to claim it wouldn't be the reasonable alternative you have to prove it.

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jar
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Message 483 of 1257 (789148)
08-11-2016 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 480 by Faith
08-11-2016 9:50 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Faith writes:
I suggest you take it back because you neither understand the argument I'm making and how it would destroy the current theory, nor what the possible alternatives would be that you claim would exist.
Oh, we all understand the argument you are trying to make and the argument you are trying to make is simply stupid.
Faith writes:
Changing the subject is of course an effective deception, but you are the one who said that if the Geo theory as it is being discussed here is in fact discredited, the Flood would not be the logical alternative.
Which simply shows you are as ignorant about logic as you are about everything else.
Disproving one theory does not add support for some other theory. For the Biblical Flood myths to be taken seriously there needs to be affirmative support that a world-wide flood happened during the time modern humans existed on the Earth and that there is some way such a flood could sort both the geology and biology in the order found in reality.

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Message 484 of 1257 (789149)
08-11-2016 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 449 by 14174dm
08-10-2016 12:47 PM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
Without information about exactly how many fossils, complete and incomplete, have been found of ALL creatures (there's an ENORMOUS number of them, as shown on the charts posted back a ways), simply saying that there aren't many complete fossils of a particular kind of dinosaur doesn't really say much. One can still ask why there are any at all or as many as there are given the rarity of the conditions for fossilization to occur.
I also found this information interesting, from your link:
Though it could laugh off all comers, even Dreadnoughtus was not immune to the power of a river in full flood. Some 80 million years ago, a raging torrent swept away two Dreadnoughtuses perhaps already dead before dumping them on a bed of quicksand-like sediment. In a stroke of luck for scientists, the mire swallowed the animals whole.
A likely story. Try the Flood as the most effective possibility.

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Message 485 of 1257 (789150)
08-11-2016 10:26 AM
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08-11-2016 10:17 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Do you never tire of your unsupported assertions designed only to poison the well?

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jar
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Message 486 of 1257 (789151)
08-11-2016 10:29 AM
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08-11-2016 10:26 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Faith writes:
Do you never tire of your unsupported assertions designed only to poison the well?
If I ever make some I'll let you know.

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NoNukes
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Message 487 of 1257 (789152)
08-11-2016 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 482 by Faith
08-11-2016 10:15 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
If the current theory is discredited in a particular way to a particular degree there may be only the Flood left as the reasonable alternative and no general assertion can disprove that.
Wrong, Faith. If you can make stuff up, so can I or anyone else. I stand by my statement that disproving one theory does not prove another one. There are always more alternatives.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

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jar
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Message 488 of 1257 (789153)
08-11-2016 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by Faith
08-11-2016 10:25 AM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
Faith, try actually reading what you quote. Can you not see the part where it said "Though it could laugh off all comers, even Dreadnoughtus was not immune to the power of a river in full flood."
Faith there is lots of evidence of regional and local floods, so actually more powerful than the ones described in the Biblical flood myths but there is NO evidence of a world-wide flood at anytime humans might have been alive.
Note too that no human fossils have EVER been found in the layer where dinosaur fossils are found.
That damn ordering and evidence that there really were landscapes and not just stacks of rocks yet again.

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Message 489 of 1257 (789154)
08-11-2016 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 482 by Faith
08-11-2016 10:15 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
there may be only the Flood left as the reasonable alternative and no general assertion can disprove that. If you are going to claim it wouldn't be the reasonable alternative you have to prove it.
The evidence disproved the flood story 200 years ago, and in the years since then the evidence disproving the flood story has just gotten stronger.
There's more evidence for Santa Claus than the flood! (Why, I saw him at the mall just last year!)

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Message 490 of 1257 (789157)
08-11-2016 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by Coyote
08-11-2016 10:54 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Yeah yeah yeah. No the Flood has never been disproved and the efforts are mostly pathetically inadequate notions of what it would have done and what evidence it would have left.
But if you want to say the Flood couldn't explain the phenomena of the Geo Timetscale if that is thoroughly discredited, then how about offering another theory instead?
Good luck.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 491 of 1257 (789158)
08-11-2016 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 488 by jar
08-11-2016 10:45 AM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
The river flood story is pathetic. That's what I said.

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Message 492 of 1257 (789159)
08-11-2016 11:15 AM
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08-11-2016 11:11 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Slartibartfast

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jar
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Message 493 of 1257 (789161)
08-11-2016 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 491 by Faith
08-11-2016 11:13 AM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
Faith writes:
The river flood story is pathetic. That's what I said.
Yet you offered as usual absolutely no support or reasoning for your position.
In addition there is still the fact that there is lots of evidence of regional and local floods, some actually more powerful than the ones described in the Biblical flood myths but there is NO evidence of a world-wide flood at anytime humans might have been alive.
Note too that no human fossils have EVER been found in the layer where dinosaur fossils are found.
That damn ordering and evidence that there really were landscapes and not just stacks of rocks yet again.
The find is yet again more evidence that there were landscapes and not just slabs of rock.
Have you finally realized that your topic really is unsupportable, false, futile, absurd and jess plain silly?

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Message 494 of 1257 (789162)
08-11-2016 11:34 AM
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08-11-2016 11:15 AM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Smootiburksnilge

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Message 495 of 1257 (789163)
08-11-2016 11:36 AM
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08-11-2016 11:23 AM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
Woopsy, changing the subject again. No idea what theory could replace the Geo Timescale of course. Because there isn't one. Only the Flood.

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