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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Very amusing but meaningless and that's why I mocked Slartibartfast.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But comes a time when the landscape is completely buried -- and very deep according to some here. You now have no place else to go, or your great great great great grandchildren don't.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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I shall try again to explain why your point makes no sense.
quote: Firstly you are confusing the issue by linking the eventual deep burial of the sediment with the issue of where the creatures used to live. AGAIN. As we keep pointing out the burial is slow and life just goes on living on the current surface, just as it does todaY. So, the burial is not a problem and we know that it is not a problem.
quote: This is just weird. Why do the creatures have to die before leaving descendants ? It is not as if all the fossils we find are juveniles. So all you have there is an unlikely assertion,
quote: Really ? I've yet to see any reason to believe that, especially as we are mainly talking about terrestrial areas which generally have limited extents - and many terrestrial areas won't be experiencing net deposition so there will be areas which don't leave much record.
quote: Well it is really simple. The animals keep on living in the same area unless and until something happens to change that. Sometimes they will move elsewhere, sometimes the local population will die out, sometimes even large numbers of species will go extinct. But there is never any reason to believe that everything on the planet died. There is no problem with sedimentation today, so we don't need to assume that there were problems in the past. As for the rest, so far as I can tell that's just your mistaken impression. You haven't given one concrete example. Which is really odd, because without concrete examples you don't have any real evidence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have a policy of not reading anything that starts out with "that is a flat out lie."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What makes "Lucy" anything but a human being anyway? The fact that she's an australopithecine. And what makes her an australopithecine rather than a homo sapiens? I can keep asking if you want to keep playing this game.
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edge Member (Idle past 1728 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
You THINK you have done that, yes. In reality there are lots of things that you would not predict nor measure or see. If you are honest Ned, a lot of the time you would consider a conjectural-defence as an explanation, sure - but just because explanations are given, no matter how far-fetched, doesn't mean they happened that way.
Actually, we consider evidence. Or are you talking about the YEC position?
Ichthyosaurs don't go diving head first into the bottom of the ocean then get their heads stuck in the mud for a million years.
You are kidding ... are you not?
We have "seen" a mini grand canyon cut out in days at Mt St Helens. We have seen flume experiments prove that stratification can happen quickly. Simply saying, "all the evidence is on the side of evo and long ages" is an ad nauseam P.R.A.T.T spread over the internet.
Well, sure, it's ad nauseum. If you picked it up the first time it we wouldn't have to repeat it so often.
No theory, no matter how factual, would have all of the evidence support it anyway, that would be a fantasy. Science doesn't work like that and you know it, extra-hypotheses are used to explain things that do not fit for starters. I will presume you had a rash senior moment , not thought through properly.
Have you applied this logic to YECism?
You guys spread propaganda but your "explanations" are sometimes frankly DESPERATE, such as the young dino-flesh, and the ludicrous, inventive and imaginative stories they create to try and avoid that it is obvious evidence of youth.
Please explain. What 'flesh' are you talking about?
Creating tenuous and silly conjectural excuses for the contradictory evidence, aren't "explanations" in my opinion, they are better defined as excuses in order to save the evo-paradigm.
Well, then disprove them. It should be easy for you.
Notice it is usually some unfalsifiable gibberish? That is the problem - sure, technically we can't disprove the excuses, but that doesn't make them good explanations over the highly explainable and correct, yecxplanations.
Well, then you have a problem. Usually, it is a sign of a robust theory that it cannot be disproven. What is it that makes a 'good' explanation? On these recent threads, it has been amply shown that YEC does not have an explanation. Or are you going to tell us how the fossil record is so ordered? I await your answer on the other thread. Maybe you could sort out this 'landscape issue' as well. Please tell us where the extinct critters went, if not into the sediments that engulfed them. Maybe you could explain to us how terrestrial deposits formed continental-scale strata (or at least tell us where they are).
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It was not I who brought up the absolute falsehoods and lies published by those claiming to be creation scientist so I do not see how I could be said to be the person changing the subject.
So have you realized yet that your topic "The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock" is not simply wrong but silly and unsupportable?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The actual situation of getting from one time period to the next from nothing but a rock which is imagined to once have been a landscape is not possible, as I keep trying to show, and answering that problem with the usual scientific generalizations totally misses the point. Well, no Faith, you simply keep asserting that which is quite different than trying to show.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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But comes a time when the landscape is completely buried -- and very deep according to some here. You now have no place else to go, or your great great great great grandchildren don't. Yes they do. They can walk about on the sediment that buried it, which will then be the landscape.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And what makes her an australopithecine rather than a homo sapiens? A cranial capacity of 375 to 500cc. Massive ape-like jaws. A bell-shaped rib-cage. A stature under 4 ft tall. Practically the only thing that makes her an ape-man at all, and not just an ape, is that she was bipedal. But this really doesn't matter. For the purposes of this discussion, if you want to think of australopithecines as a subgroup of H. sapiens, you may (you'd be wrong, but you may), so long as you concede that it is a recognizable subgroup. In which case, the point still stands: out of a sample size of 200+, Lucy is the most complete, which tells us something about how well or badly fossil organisms tend to have been preserved.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is it that makes Lucy not an ape?
How do you know all those bones are hers? Or belong to this genus you say she belongs to?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They going to eat the sediment? Sleep on the sediment?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
What is it that makes Lucy not an ape?
Technically you and I are apes too as is Lucy. But that is a nit.Her hips allow her to stand upright (as well as other leg parts). Only our lineage has that. Hers are not as advanced as the genus homo is though. How do you know all those bones are hers?
They were found together. Why would you think otherwise? Also they fit.
Or belong to this genus you say she belongs to?
She has the characteristics allocated to the genus. In fact, she might be the type specimen (the one used as the defining example) but I am not sure.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
They going to eat the sediment? Sleep on the sediment? Some, like Dr. A., you have accused of being abusive. What do you expect when this has been explained to you over and over and over?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
They going to eat the sediment? No. If there was no sediment, would they be eating dirt? Your question is beyond ridiculous, or would be if you understood the process being described to you at least a dozen times by now. I understand that you reject it yourself, but that is no excuse for not recognizing that you have already been given an answer to your question. Imagine the sediment forming just a thin layer on the soil and actually becoming soil by mixing with moisture minerals and organic material from the layer below and from new sources external to the layer of sediment. Now imagine this process continuing over time. In that case, the top layer would be essentially a soil layer that grows over time, that top layer always being just as capable of supporting life. The lower layers then become rock through processes already described.
Sleep on the sediment? If animals are sleeping on the ground, then yes. What is the difference between sleeping on the ground and sleeping on a small layer of sediment on the ground? Nothing. In either case, the animals just get dirty. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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