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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
Faith 
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Message 526 of 1257 (789212)
08-11-2016 4:52 PM
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08-11-2016 4:49 PM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Very amusing but meaningless and that's why I mocked Slartibartfast.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 527 of 1257 (789213)
08-11-2016 4:54 PM
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08-11-2016 4:52 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
But comes a time when the landscape is completely buried -- and very deep according to some here. You now have no place else to go, or your great great great great grandchildren don't.

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Message 528 of 1257 (789214)
08-11-2016 4:56 PM
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08-11-2016 4:38 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
I shall try again to explain why your point makes no sense.
quote:
still can't see any way you could have a large flat expanse of sediment that becomes rock, that was once a particular landscape that becomes the rock, which gets buried under a LOT of sediment,..
Firstly you are confusing the issue by linking the eventual deep burial of the sediment with the issue of where the creatures used to live. AGAIN.
As we keep pointing out the burial is slow and life just goes on living on the current surface, just as it does todaY. So, the burial is not a problem and we know that it is not a problem.
quote:
...in which the creatures that supposedly lived in that particular time period/ landscape got buried with the rock -- because that's the only landscape said to exist at that time so all the creatures would have had to die and not pass on their genes to the next layer of landscape/sediment/rock/landscape/time period.
This is just weird. Why do the creatures have to die before leaving descendants ? It is not as if all the fossils we find are juveniles. So all you have there is an unlikely assertion,
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You imagine other places they could live, but their fossils aren't found in other places, only in this particular rock associated with this particular time period.
Really ? I've yet to see any reason to believe that, especially as we are mainly talking about terrestrial areas which generally have limited extents - and many terrestrial areas won't be experiencing net deposition so there will be areas which don't leave much record.
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This could maybe be explained for a particular time period or two or three (though I'm not sure how), but not for every time period up the whole geo column at that location. The answers I've been getting seem mostly just to assume there's no problem and my description is crazy,
Well it is really simple. The animals keep on living in the same area unless and until something happens to change that. Sometimes they will move elsewhere, sometimes the local population will die out, sometimes even large numbers of species will go extinct. But there is never any reason to believe that everything on the planet died.
There is no problem with sedimentation today, so we don't need to assume that there were problems in the past.
As for the rest, so far as I can tell that's just your mistaken impression. You haven't given one concrete example. Which is really odd, because without concrete examples you don't have any real evidence.

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Message 529 of 1257 (789215)
08-11-2016 5:00 PM
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08-11-2016 3:02 PM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
I have a policy of not reading anything that starts out with "that is a flat out lie."

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Message 530 of 1257 (789216)
08-11-2016 5:04 PM
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08-11-2016 2:59 PM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
What makes "Lucy" anything but a human being anyway?
The fact that she's an australopithecine.
And what makes her an australopithecine rather than a homo sapiens? I can keep asking if you want to keep playing this game.

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Message 531 of 1257 (789217)
08-11-2016 5:12 PM
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08-11-2016 4:13 PM


Re: Good fit
You THINK you have done that, yes. In reality there are lots of things that you would not predict nor measure or see. If you are honest Ned, a lot of the time you would consider a conjectural-defence as an explanation, sure - but just because explanations are given, no matter how far-fetched, doesn't mean they happened that way.
Actually, we consider evidence.
Or are you talking about the YEC position?
Ichthyosaurs don't go diving head first into the bottom of the ocean then get their heads stuck in the mud for a million years.
We have "seen" a mini grand canyon cut out in days at Mt St Helens. We have seen flume experiments prove that stratification can happen quickly.
You are kidding ... are you not?
Simply saying, "all the evidence is on the side of evo and long ages" is an ad nauseam P.R.A.T.T spread over the internet.
Well, sure, it's ad nauseum.
If you picked it up the first time it we wouldn't have to repeat it so often.
No theory, no matter how factual, would have all of the evidence support it anyway, that would be a fantasy. Science doesn't work like that and you know it, extra-hypotheses are used to explain things that do not fit for starters. I will presume you had a rash senior moment , not thought through properly.
Have you applied this logic to YECism?
You guys spread propaganda but your "explanations" are sometimes frankly DESPERATE, such as the young dino-flesh, and the ludicrous, inventive and imaginative stories they create to try and avoid that it is obvious evidence of youth.
Please explain. What 'flesh' are you talking about?
Creating tenuous and silly conjectural excuses for the contradictory evidence, aren't "explanations" in my opinion, they are better defined as excuses in order to save the evo-paradigm.
Well, then disprove them. It should be easy for you.
Notice it is usually some unfalsifiable gibberish? That is the problem - sure, technically we can't disprove the excuses, but that doesn't make them good explanations over the highly explainable and correct, yecxplanations.
Well, then you have a problem.
Usually, it is a sign of a robust theory that it cannot be disproven.
What is it that makes a 'good' explanation?
On these recent threads, it has been amply shown that YEC does not have an explanation.
Or are you going to tell us how the fossil record is so ordered?
I await your answer on the other thread.
Maybe you could sort out this 'landscape issue' as well. Please tell us where the extinct critters went, if not into the sediments that engulfed them. Maybe you could explain to us how terrestrial deposits formed continental-scale strata (or at least tell us where they are).

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Message 532 of 1257 (789218)
08-11-2016 5:15 PM
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08-11-2016 4:45 PM


Re: Good fit
It was not I who brought up the absolute falsehoods and lies published by those claiming to be creation scientist so I do not see how I could be said to be the person changing the subject.
So have you realized yet that your topic "The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock" is not simply wrong but silly and unsupportable?

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Message 533 of 1257 (789219)
08-11-2016 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Faith
08-11-2016 4:51 PM


Re: Good fit
Faith writes:
The actual situation of getting from one time period to the next from nothing but a rock which is imagined to once have been a landscape is not possible, as I keep trying to show, and answering that problem with the usual scientific generalizations totally misses the point.
Well, no Faith, you simply keep asserting that which is quite different than trying to show.

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Message 534 of 1257 (789220)
08-11-2016 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by Faith
08-11-2016 4:54 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
But comes a time when the landscape is completely buried -- and very deep according to some here. You now have no place else to go, or your great great great great grandchildren don't.
Yes they do. They can walk about on the sediment that buried it, which will then be the landscape.

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Message 535 of 1257 (789221)
08-11-2016 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
08-11-2016 5:04 PM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
And what makes her an australopithecine rather than a homo sapiens?
A cranial capacity of 375 to 500cc. Massive ape-like jaws. A bell-shaped rib-cage. A stature under 4 ft tall.
Practically the only thing that makes her an ape-man at all, and not just an ape, is that she was bipedal.
But this really doesn't matter. For the purposes of this discussion, if you want to think of australopithecines as a subgroup of H. sapiens, you may (you'd be wrong, but you may), so long as you concede that it is a recognizable subgroup. In which case, the point still stands: out of a sample size of 200+, Lucy is the most complete, which tells us something about how well or badly fossil organisms tend to have been preserved.
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Message 536 of 1257 (789223)
08-11-2016 7:32 PM
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08-11-2016 5:28 PM


Re: let's take Baby steps... to Nowhere
What is it that makes Lucy not an ape?
How do you know all those bones are hers? Or belong to this genus you say she belongs to?
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Message 537 of 1257 (789224)
08-11-2016 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Dr Adequate
08-11-2016 5:19 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
They going to eat the sediment? Sleep on the sediment?

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Message 538 of 1257 (789225)
08-11-2016 7:41 PM
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08-11-2016 7:32 PM


Apes
What is it that makes Lucy not an ape?
Technically you and I are apes too as is Lucy. But that is a nit.
Her hips allow her to stand upright (as well as other leg parts). Only our lineage has that. Hers are not as advanced as the genus homo is though.
How do you know all those bones are hers?
They were found together. Why would you think otherwise? Also they fit.
Or belong to this genus you say she belongs to?
She has the characteristics allocated to the genus. In fact, she might be the type specimen (the one used as the defining example) but I am not sure.
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Message 539 of 1257 (789226)
08-11-2016 7:42 PM
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08-11-2016 7:33 PM


Home, home on the range.
They going to eat the sediment? Sleep on the sediment?
Some, like Dr. A., you have accused of being abusive. What do you expect when this has been explained to you over and over and over?

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Message 540 of 1257 (789227)
08-11-2016 7:48 PM
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08-11-2016 7:33 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
They going to eat the sediment?
No. If there was no sediment, would they be eating dirt?
Your question is beyond ridiculous, or would be if you understood the process being described to you at least a dozen times by now. I understand that you reject it yourself, but that is no excuse for not recognizing that you have already been given an answer to your question.
Imagine the sediment forming just a thin layer on the soil and actually becoming soil by mixing with moisture minerals and organic material from the layer below and from new sources external to the layer of sediment. Now imagine this process continuing over time. In that case, the top layer would be essentially a soil layer that grows over time, that top layer always being just as capable of supporting life.
The lower layers then become rock through processes already described.
Sleep on the sediment?
If animals are sleeping on the ground, then yes.
What is the difference between sleeping on the ground and sleeping on a small layer of sediment on the ground? Nothing. In either case, the animals just get dirty.

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