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Author Topic:   Why did we stop inventing gods?
Parasomnium
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Message 9 of 203 (789370)
08-14-2016 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
08-13-2016 11:35 PM


Re: Universalist Gnostic Christian church
AdminPhat, why do you reply to GIA's content 1) as an admin, and 2) when this content is on other fora? This is most confusing for this thread.

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Message 10 of 203 (789371)
08-14-2016 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
08-13-2016 11:48 AM


Growing pains
GIA writes:
Why did we stop inventing gods?
Why does a child stop believing in Santa? Because it is growing up.
As we all know, growing up isn't without its problems. (Kirk Cameron, anyone?)
On a positive note, it is good to realize that gods are man's invention, and not vice versa.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 29 of 203 (789396)
08-14-2016 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Greatest I am
08-14-2016 10:03 AM


Re: Universalist Gnostic Christian church
GIA writes:
is wrong in posting on other sites as long as replies and attention is given everywhere?
You did nothing wrong in posting your links to other sites, but AdminPhat should have known better than to 1) discuss your content as an admin, and 2) to copy quotes from elsewhere and discuss them here as if they belong to this thread. It makes for a muddled discussion.

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Message 34 of 203 (789401)
08-14-2016 3:05 PM
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08-14-2016 6:12 AM


Re: Growing pains
Phat writes:
God created the world you live in, the air you breathe--indeed the very universe that contains us..long before you were even able to make Him up.
Yes, and he also created the banana to fit exactly in our hand with a tab at the top to open it like a can of coke, and curved towards our mouth.
You either believe that or you grow up. In the mean time, the rest of us are moving on. Sorry to be so blunt, Phat, but with the world in its current state I am quickly losing patience with religious people. Religion, faith, superstition and all the other God-nonsense are doing such a tremendous amount of harm to humanity, it is unimaginable. How do you not kill yourself every day for shame of what atrocities are committed on a daily basis in the name of one or another god? Maybe your god does not condone violence in his name, but then he might be against, say, stem cell research for some ridiculous reason. Humanity has enough problems as it is, with diseases, global warming and what not. We do not need additional religiously inspired misery. You need to grow up, humanity needs to grow up.
GROW UP!
(Phew, I needed to get that off my chest.)
Edited by Parasomnium, : EmPHATic exclamation added (plus signature quote).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 36 of 203 (789403)
08-14-2016 3:14 PM
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08-14-2016 3:09 PM


Re: Growing pains
Maybe we can gullibilize them out of it?

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Message 39 of 203 (789407)
08-14-2016 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
08-14-2016 3:17 PM


Re: Growing pains
Faith,
1. A stem cell taken from a blastula, from amniotic fluid, or from bone marrow, is not a baby.
2. Your true God allows 30 to 50% of all fertilizations to spontaneously end in a miscarriage. He is therefore the greatest abortionist of them all.
3. So you think your true God sends Islamic terrorists to Europe to punish us for abortions? Thank you for proving me right.
Grow up, Faith.
Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 41 of 203 (789409)
08-14-2016 3:35 PM
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08-14-2016 3:32 PM


Re: Growing pains
Faith writes:
Sure it is, it's a baby the same way a twelve week or twenty-week fetus is a baby, the same way a toddler is an adult human being.
Ah, so you mean: not at all.
Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given.

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Message 45 of 203 (789413)
08-14-2016 3:51 PM
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08-14-2016 3:37 PM


Re: Growing pains
Faith writes:
I speak of course of God after the Protestant Reformation
Seriously?! God changed because of the reformation? Hahaha! What a wussy.
Faith writes:
[...] when you give up on truth it gives up on you.
Well, not really. If you believe prayer will heal your cancer, and you forego medical treatment, the truth is you will probably die.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 74 of 203 (789513)
08-16-2016 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by jar
08-15-2016 6:03 PM


Re: Growing pains
jar writes:
Belief is not a matter of evidence but rather a life choice.
This is what I've always thought of as a very strange idea. I think what you believe is very much a matter of evidence, or it should be, at least. Let me illustrate this with an example.
Suppose you are in a room with Alice, Bob and Charlie. You and Charlie leave the room, close the door behind you, and both sit down on a bench opposite the door. Then both of you see Bob leaving the room. Charlie then asks you how many people you believe are in the room, and you say "two". Bemused, Charlie says "How can you believe that, you have seen Bob leaving the room, haven't you?" You say "Yes, but I choose to believe there are two people in the room." Charlie finds this very strange, and rightly so. He believes there is one person in the room, based on the evidence he saw.
He is wrong though, because what he doesn't know is that Alice left the room through the window. Still, his belief is more rational than yours because it is based on the evidence available to him, and yours is an irrational choice.
How can you choose what to believe? I don't think you can. I think that people who say "I choose to believe X is true" are merely expressing the wish they have that X is true. Sometimes people even sort of admit that, by saying that it makes them feel better if they "believe" X is true. What they should realize is that they are using the wrong verb.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 111 of 203 (789568)
08-16-2016 4:05 PM
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08-16-2016 2:30 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Cat Sci writes:
No, I do not have some kind of evidence that aliens are out there, empirical or otherwise.
But I think you do. It may not be conclusive but there is supportive empirical evidence that aliens are probable. The evidence consists of 1) the fact that there is life in the universe (with absolute proof of it here on earth), and 2) there not being any compelling reason to assume that life on earth is special or unique. Combine these two and you have reason to believe that aliens may exist. You do not know for certain but it is a reasonable belief, based on some solid evidence.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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