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Greatest I am
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Message 16 of 203 (789382)
08-14-2016 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by frako
08-14-2016 2:58 AM


frako
To worship Adi Da Samraj is to idol worship the mental construct that the worshiper has created in his own mind.
If one worships any idea, it is to enshrine that idea and no longer question it's validity and in an evolving world, to not let ideas evolve is to stifle our evolution.
Belief in the supernatural gods has slowed our evolution to a more moral people.
Regards
DL

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Message 17 of 203 (789383)
08-14-2016 9:38 AM
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08-14-2016 8:19 AM


Re: Will The Real God Please Stand Up
jar writes:
Have you ever read the Bible Phat?
Have you ever believed in your heart that Jesus is Lord? That He is Gods representative to humanity? Do you understand your Messiah...beyond your logical opinion that He is a failure until He actually completes the contract by returning? Do you thank Him for showing you the way to live and be responsible or do you take credit for all of that yourself?
When Jesus is supposedly quoted in the Bible stories he is almost always talking about worldly things, about behavior, about duties, about what a person should do for others.
I agree with you=, except to say that when Jesus talked of worldly things--like money, for instance--He always used it as a metaphor for His primary concern, which was teaching us about our behavior and our duties.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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Message 18 of 203 (789384)
08-14-2016 9:40 AM
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08-14-2016 3:28 AM


Re: New and Improved
Phat
"I hear that Apple has come out with a new one... an i-god."
Is that gods morals better than the vile demiurge Yahweh's?
Did it demand his young I-pad to be needlessly sacrificed?
Or did he have the I-balls to step up himself as any good father I-god would?
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 203 (789385)
08-14-2016 9:43 AM
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08-14-2016 9:37 AM


The Inventor or The Invention?
GIA writes:
If one worships any idea, it is to enshrine that idea and no longer question it's validity and in an evolving world, to not let ideas evolve is to stifle our evolution.
I would argue that the very idea that we are the only gods we will ever have is itself idolatrous. The only reason you have any wisdom at all---indeed are able to breathe---is because of God. Yes, the supernatural One.
He is the Creator. The Inventor. We are the creation. The invention.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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Message 20 of 203 (789386)
08-14-2016 9:55 AM
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08-14-2016 3:38 AM


Re: Who Is The Greatest?
Is he? I do not think so. At least not the way Christians interpret his sayings. The Rome invented one is a pathetic brown-noser that promotes a slave mentality.
I like the more eastern mystical Jesus as he promotes that we be as he was and interpret morality for ourselves.
I put some of his quotes above but this link do them justice.
Alan Watts-On The Book Of Eli
Phat writes:
Is it any less idolatrous to worship ourselves?
I do not promote that we worship ourselves. I do promote that we recognize that to a human, only another human should hold the highest office, just as it was in the days of the Jewish Divine council.
Only a man can speak for god and only a man should be god.
Phat writes:
And we have found a better man than Jesus because.....? Back then "they" chose Barabbas.
So the myth goes. It was that or bring the wrath of Rome down on all Jews.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. Jesus also wanted to die so what do you see wrong with his people giving him his wish?
That is what Yahweh wanted and his wish cannot be thwarted. Right?
Phat writes:
He is Risen. What more do you want?
Then why is he not here since the Jewish myth says that he is to lead them? He was not to levitate away to nowhere and ignore them.
Regards
DL
Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed messed up quotes...GIA needs to learn proper formatting

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Message 21 of 203 (789387)
08-14-2016 10:01 AM
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08-14-2016 3:52 AM


Tangle
The nice thing about having many gods is that the intelligent ones gain support and as it was in the days of the Divine Councils, the best are elected to the highest office.
We do the same now with our political gods and the ancients did not really separate church and state.
To me, separation of church and state is a stupid notion as one cannot leave half his brain out of any decision.
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DL

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Message 22 of 203 (789388)
08-14-2016 10:03 AM
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08-14-2016 4:24 AM


Re: Universalist Gnostic Christian church
Parasomnium
I could do as some and rework posts and change names but I have nothing against freedom of association or speech.
What is wrong in posting on other sites as long as replies and attention is given everywhere?
Regards
DL

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Message 23 of 203 (789389)
08-14-2016 10:06 AM
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08-14-2016 4:34 AM


Re: Growing pains
Parasomnium
"On a positive note, it is good to realize that gods are man's invention, and not vice versa."
For sure. That is why I wrote the O.P.
I want to give man the power that imaginary gods have usurped thanks to their priests and imams lying to us about god.
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DL

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Message 24 of 203 (789390)
08-14-2016 10:09 AM
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08-14-2016 6:12 AM


Re: Growing pains
Phat
"This is far from conclusive. God created the world you live in, the air you breathe--indeed the very universe that contains us..long before you were even able to make Him up."
God created the world you live in, the air you breathe--indeed the very universe that contains us..long before you were even able to make Him up. This is far from conclusive.
You screwed up your statement my friend. I set it correctly.
Regards
DL

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Message 25 of 203 (789391)
08-14-2016 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Tangle
08-14-2016 3:52 AM


Well the best time to invent your god is before large civilisations develop. That way you can almost have one per family. Maybe village. What you need is isolation and ignorance if you want lots.
Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
Robert A. Heinlein

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 26 of 203 (789392)
08-14-2016 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
08-14-2016 8:19 AM


Re: Will The Real God Please Stand Up
jar
Phat writes:
Personally I see Jesus as a greater prophet than Muhammad because Muhammad was focuses on worldly shrewdness while jesus was beyond that.
I agree with your "about what a person should do for others."
I see Jesus judging the prostitute as a sinner, while telling his people not to judge, as quite shrewd.
Regards
DL

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Message 27 of 203 (789393)
08-14-2016 10:17 AM
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08-14-2016 9:38 AM


Re: Will The Real God Please Stand Up
Phat
" Do you understand your Messiah..."
I do not.
Please explain why the Trinity god would condemn us and then turn around and say that the only route to forgiveness is that he must die for us.
That seems rather stupid to me.
Regards
DL

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Message 28 of 203 (789395)
08-14-2016 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
08-14-2016 9:37 AM


mental construct that the worshiper has created in his own mind.
So in other words a new invented god, refuting the whole premise of the tread that we stopped inventing gods.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Message 29 of 203 (789396)
08-14-2016 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Greatest I am
08-14-2016 10:03 AM


Re: Universalist Gnostic Christian church
GIA writes:
is wrong in posting on other sites as long as replies and attention is given everywhere?
You did nothing wrong in posting your links to other sites, but AdminPhat should have known better than to 1) discuss your content as an admin, and 2) to copy quotes from elsewhere and discuss them here as if they belong to this thread. It makes for a muddled discussion.

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Message 30 of 203 (789397)
08-14-2016 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
08-14-2016 9:43 AM


Re: The Inventor or The Invention?
Phat
Gods have basically always been termed as father.
As above, so below.
Are you as father?
Do you always want your children subordinate to you and never surpass what you are?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilee
You forget this line from Genesis.
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Do not accept your rightful position in the scheme of things if you do not want to but astute students of Christian theology will know that they too can become as gods.
Regards
DL

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