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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
You asked more than once as to what I would change in terms of what people believe when I gave you the answer in the link I gave you. Perhaps you were too busy worrying about my formatting. Let me give it again. What is God? - Big Think RegardsDL P.S. Peek just gives me the message I posted. Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: ......but the new nature seemingly generates from nowhere. It doesn't generate from nowhere Phat, they're both examples of the same addictive behaviour.
quote: Steady boy, unbelievers do not 'try their hardest to be good' they exhibit a wide range of behaviours and I doubt they struggle with any of them - they're just dispositions. I certainly don't have to try 'to be good' - it's simply a matter of not doing harm which I find very difficult to do, so I don't do it. As for not experiencing a 'renewal of my mind' - absolutely no thanks, I don't want anyone dicking with my head except me.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Good for you. But you're making my point. Your public confession was a lot longer ago than that and your addiction didn't just go away.
I have not gambled in 45 days and plan on being #Sober4Life. Phat writes:
I can testify that Bigfoot is sitting on my couch. How much is that testimony worth?
I can testify that God initiated my recovery.... Phat writes:
So you attribute your gambling problem to God testing you? And being fired as God testing you? What a Bastard.
... the same as He did when testing Job.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
GIA writes: You seem to respect Karen Armstrong. She discusses Logos vs Mythos and also articulates the need for morality in global spirituality...much as you do. Her bio is brief: PhatYou asked more than once as to what I would change in terms of what people believe when I gave you the answer in the link I gave you. Perhaps you were too busy worrying about my formatting. Let me give it again. What is God? - Big ThinkRegards DL quote:I have not studied whether she believes in God or Jesus as something we humans are in communion with yet Who are of a higher archetype than we are or whether we all are the only gods we will ever know---as you believe. Still...you have shown us a link but have not articulated why you believe that God is so darn mean. I do not see this in my relationship with Him. Perhaps you want us all to stop believing that God is apart from us in nature and that we all can be gods. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
"I was changed forever when I publicly confessed that Jesus is Lord..." Having a Lord or master indicates that you think of yourself as a serf or slave. Why would you slave yourself to a genocidal god who always seems to kill when he could just as easily cure those he thinks ill? RegardsDL
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: Tell us more details! A testimony is only worth as much as the credibility of the author. People rarely gain credibility without being known.
I can testify that Bigfoot is sitting on my couch. How much is that testimony worth?So you attribute your gambling problem to God testing you? And being fired as God testing you? What a Bastard. I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility. I was simply too weak to confront it because i have long preferred fantasy over reality. Getting fired was reality. I don't blame God for that, either.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
"the only evidence you have is what has been written by others. You cannot claim to know God so how can you judge Gods supposed actions without hearing from the defendant Himself?" Further the only knowledge you have of god is what has been written by others. You cannot claim to know God so how can you judge Gods supposed actions without hearing from the defendant Himself? RegardsDL
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Lets first correct this sloppy formatting, shall we?
GIA writes: Accepting Jesus as Lord means that you dont consider yourself more highly than you ought, for one thing. Humans are not gods. Humans will never solve their global,ethical, or personal problems through their own strength alone. Moreover, God considers us as sons--not slaves. Phat writes:
I was changed forever when I publicly confessed that Jesus is Lord... Having a Lord or master indicates that you think of yourself as a serf or slave. Why would you slave yourself to a genocidal god who always seems to kill when he could just as easily cure those he thinks ill? RegardsDL Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So how credible is your testimony when you've been kicking your habit (presumably with God's help) for years?
A testimony is only worth as much as the credibility of the author. Phat writes:
You're the one who brought up Job. He wasn't responsible for causing his problems but he was responsible for dealing with them. God didn't help him with that.
I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Again, GIA we have to correct this formatting as it is unclear what is being said by whom. Correct me if I am wrong. Essentially you are saying:
Phat,to GIA writes: the only evidence you have is what has been written by others. You cannot claim to know God so how can you judge Gods supposed actions without hearing from the defendant Himself? GIA writes: Further the only knowledge you have of god is what has been written by others. You cannot claim to know God so how can you judge Gods supposed actions without hearing from the defendant Himself? RegardsDL Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
"Still...you have shown us a link but have not articulated why you believe that God is so darn mean. I do not see this in my relationship with Him. Perhaps you want us all to stop believing that God is apart from us in nature and that we all can be gods." I think that Yahweh is mean because he is a genocidal son murdering god who always seems to kill instead of curing, --- even as he is said to be able to do either. Good does not always kill, evil does. To your last.I do not want you to believe that god is apart from you. I want you to see the god within you as natural. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." If you cannot see god in all, then you cannot see god at all. God is nature, so to speak, and man is the highest form of nature. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
You did not answer this. Why not? Why would you slave yourself to a genocidal god who always seems to kill when he could just as easily cure those he thinks ill? RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: My testimony is honest. How credible it is is your call.
So how credible is your testimony when you've been kicking your habit (presumably with God's help) for years? ringo writes: We don't know whether God helped Job or not. Jobs assets and family were restored..the book does not say how, though we can surmise that Job simply got remarried and made more babies. How did he become rich again? You're the one who brought up Job. He wasn't responsible for causing his problems but he was responsible for dealing with them. God didn't help him with that.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Why would you slave yourself to a genocidal god who always seems to kill when he could just as easily cure those he thinks ill? First of all, I do not see God as genocidal. Second, I am not slaving myself. I am willfully obedient, but I have a free will. I am not chained to any religion. Lastly, why doesn't God simply cure everybody? Well for that matter why doesn't God tie our shoes, go to work for us, and feed us directly from spoon to mouth? I believe He certainly could, if he wanted us to eternally remain babies.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
You do know what quotation marks represent. Right? Phat writes:I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility. My question on this is, --- your god created your nature. Why did he put that addictive nature in you knowing that you could not resist following your god given nature? Seems like a set up to me. RegardsDL
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