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Tangle
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Message 151 of 186 (789630)
08-17-2016 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Phat
08-17-2016 9:07 AM


Re: The Word Of The Day:Imagine
Phat writes:
Quite simply I am attempting to show that when men imagined something, it was usually their own vain imagination.
You don't have to attempt to show it, when men imagine something, it's men that do the imagining. Vain or otherwise.
There were times, however, where their imagination was of God...chiefly because it was His creative Spirit...His imagination rather than the limited vain imagination of fallible humans.
This is just preaching - there were no such times.
Need I remind you again that this is a science thread? If you have something to substantiate this stuff other than men's imaginings let's see it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 153 of 186 (789694)
08-18-2016 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Phat
08-18-2016 1:19 AM


Re: The Word Of The Day:Imagine
Phat writes:
You have no evidence of this either.
You know how this works Phat, it's your claim that the world worked in a different way than it does now some indeterminate time ago; I'm calling you on it, it's your job to demonstrate it.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 158 of 186 (789737)
08-18-2016 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Phat
08-18-2016 3:57 PM


Re: At The End Of The Day...
Phat writes:
There were times, however, where (human) imagination was of God...chiefly because it was His creative Spirit...His imagination working through His Prophets and chosen people..rather than the limited vain imagination of fallible humans in general.
Nope, never happened - just stuff people made up for you to repeat. Just pure nonsense.
All I can say is that perhaps in our lifetime we may see evidence that convinces us one way or the other. You may become more convinced that there were and are such times, or i may finally be persuaded that you were right all along. Time will tell. In the meantime, enjoy life and try your best.
Don't be silly, how could there be anything that could convince me of it? What is it that you can even imagine that would do it?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 171 of 186 (810131)
05-24-2017 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
05-23-2017 11:58 AM


Re: Topic Remix
Phat writes:
The critics will claim that in order for any claim to be scientific it has to be verified through the scientific method.
It's not a claim - it's a necessary fact. In order for a petrol engine to work it needs petrol. The scientific method is what it is - it can't be something else just because believers in irrational systems wish it was different.
Believers are passionate about their source, though it is technically unverifiable without belief. I know. I am one of them.
You'll just have to accept that your belief is what it is. It ain't scientific or rational and it never can be. (It's also wrong, but that's another issue.)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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