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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes: They will hunger again unless we feed them spiritual food. jar,emphatically writes: That is utter bullshit and a sorry excuse as well. I am not emphasizing excuses why not to feed the masses. I am emphasizing valid reasons to pray. When Jesus told Peter to "feed my sheep" He was not simply talking about food.
Q: Where does the Bible say "teach a man to fish?" My point is that by following Jesus you imitate all that Jesus did. How often do we see Jesus praying?A: The Bible doesn't say "teach a man to fish," this phrase is from a Chinese proverb. The full text is: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." FULL ANSWER The passage in the Bible that is commonly thought to say "teach a man to fish" is found in Mathew 4:19. Here, Jesus is walking near the shore of the Sea of Galilee, when he sees two brothers, Simon and Andrew, throwing out their fishing nets. Jesus says them, "follow me and I will make you fishers of men." (NASB) In the next verse, Simon, also known as Peter, and Andrew drop their nets and follow Jesus, thus becoming his first disciples. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: When Jesus told Peter to "feed my sheep" He was not simply talking about food. Again, that is not what the Bible says. Have you ever read the Bible?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Have you?
Consider this: quote: Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Many, many, many times.
A Jesus did not say Pete, feed them platitudes and dogma. My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Lets try the OT:
Deuteronomy 8:3 writes: What makes you think that Jesus only thought of natural food? And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In case you were unaware Deuteronomy has little to do with Jesus and in fact Jesus also specifically repudiated much that was required in the Old Testament. The issue is not about what Deuteronomy says but rather what Jesus is alleged to have said.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
see message 198
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What apologists say has little to do with what Jesus said.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I consider myself responsible for how I use the time, whoever "owns" it.
Do you consider your life "His Time" or "Your Time"? Phat writes:
Of course. It's a little disturbing that you would even ask. Does God expect us to skip prayer simply to feed one more person? Remember Matthew 25? I think it's been mentioned at EvC before. Jesus said we'll all be judged for feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoners, etc. - not praying for them. Praying when you should be doing comes dangerously close to mouthing, "Lord! Lord!"
Phat writes:
Better re-think that analogy. You're advocating turning customers away while you have a staff meeting. You're pretending to "strengthen yourself" while you're defeating your own purpose.
Yet if we fail to pray, we have failed to attend company meetings all in the interest of feeding one more of the masses. Im quite sure you will want to keep the store open for the late straggler rather than edify andf strengthen yourself through prayer.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: You're pretending to "strengthen yourself" while you're defeating your own purpose. All I'm saying--again-and yes we have gone over this before-is that a Christian is called to do more than to simply be a worker bee that feeds and clothes people. Anybody can do that. We do that. My point is that we are called to do more than that. Our purpose is more than just providing physical needs.. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: All I'm saying--again-and yes we have gone over this before-is that a Christian is called to do more than to simply be a worker bee that feeds and clothes people. Anybody can do that. We do that. My point is that we are called to do more than that. Our purpose is more than just providing physical needs.. What is this more that is more than comforting the sorrowful, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, clothing the naked?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How does one comfort the sorrowful? People who have lost loved ones due to death? People who are themselves about to die. I firmly believe that we are called to offer them a Blessed Hope. To be Jesus Christ to them. To offer hope beyond this life as well as hope in this life. If you simply tell them that Jesus is not alive, you may be factually correct in that we do not know, but you are not representing Christianity well at all. The evidence tells us that Jesus is no longer alive and that His death was not as important as some Christians suggest. This is wrong.
As for feeding the hungry, I again emphasize that merely giving a man a paper bag from the food bank will not do much for them spiritually--apart from making them physically full for the moment. Jesus expected us to provide spiritual nourishment as well as physical nourishment. healing the sick is so much more than ER. Healing the sick is more than band-aids, Chicken soup, and Proper medicine. There is a mental/spiritual component here as well. I will give you that clothing the naked is fairly straight forward. Symbolically, however, I would assert that clothing them with righteousness is an added dimension. You might call it recruiting...and may disagree with the practice, as most good Jews do.
1 : to induce someone to convert to one's faith. 2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause. I would argue, however, that knowing Jesus is good for everybody on the planet. What do people think about once they have met you? Do they see an old man that is honest yet cusses and makes jokes about getting laid? Do they see an old Eisenhower Republican who is well versed in logic and critical thinking? Do they see a good scholar who was too arrogant for college? A lover of pens? A contrarian who hangs out at EvC and outposts all of us? This same argument can be used at me. What do people see when they read my posts? When we comfort the sorrowful, feed the hungry, heal(or tend to) the sick,and clothe the naked WHOM do we represent? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: To offer hope beyond this life as well as hope in this life. If you simply tell them that Jesus is not alive, you may be factually correct in that we do not know, but you are not representing Christianity well at all. Well Phat, you can feed them, hand them tissues, help them handle the day to day issues that such events entail, most of all shut up and listen to them and throw away all the platitudes. If they want something else they will ask for it.
Phat writes: As for feeding the hungry, I again emphasize that merely giving a man a paper bag from the food bank will not do much for them spiritually--apart from making them physically full for the moment. Jesus expected us to provide spiritual nourishment as well as physical nourishment. Again, that is not what Jesus said according to the stories.
Phat writes: I would argue, however, that knowing Jesus is good for everybody on the planet. What do people think about once they have met you? Do they see an old man that is honest yet cusses and makes jokes about getting laid? Do they see an old Eisenhower Republican who is well versed in logic and critical thinking? Do they see a good scholar who was too arrogant for college? A lover of pens? A contrarian who hangs out and EvC and outposts all of us? What people think of me, if they think of me at all which is unlikely, is irrelevant. The goal is not to collect friends or likes or emojis. Knowing Jesus is one of those empty bumper sticker catch phrases used in marketing to avoid honesty and difficult questions.
Phat writes: When we comfort the sorrowful, feed the hungry, heal(or tend to) the sick,and clothe the naked WHO do we represent? Hopefully we represent love and concern and empathy; GOD perhaps, but not Jesus or Muhammad or Buddha or Ganesha or Turtle. We represent help and support.
Phat writes: Symbolically, however, I would assert that clothing them with righteousness is an added dimension. And I would say that clothing them with righteousness is a worthless joke and a con game.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
ringo to Phat writes: Of course. It's a little disturbing that you would even ask.Remember Matthew 25? I think it's been mentioned at EvC before. Jesus said we'll all be judged for feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoners, etc. - not praying for them. Praying when you should be doing comes dangerously close to mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" Sorry to butt in. I just wanted to add that I agree, but also in that there was no awareness that they had done those things for/to Jesus. They simply did them because that's where there hearts were, and not because they were thinking about some future benefit from God.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: Sorry to butt in. I just wanted to add that I agree, but also in that there was no awareness that they had done those things for/to Jesus. They simply did them because that's where there hearts were, and not because they were thinking about some future benefit from God. And in fact the goats were just the opposite, those who HAD done for Jesus, his followers, his disciples. The message is that GOD and Jesus really don't need any help, it is humans and animals and plants and the environment we are charged to do for.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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