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ICANT
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Message 210 of 242 (789900)
08-22-2016 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by 14174dm
08-19-2016 12:06 PM


Hi 14174Re: Science vs. creation "science"
Hi dm

dm writes:

What is the exact meaning of the Hebrew word translated as "earth" in the verse? Is it earth as in dirt or earth as in planet? Did the Israelites have a concept of the earth as an object floating in space?

The water was called seas.
The dry land mass was called earth.

quote:
Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The dry land mass that made up the continental plates is what was divided.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 212 of 242 (789968)
08-22-2016 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by jar
08-22-2016 8:36 AM


Re: Hi 14174Re: Science vs. creation "science"
Hi jar

jar writes:

ICANT writes:

The water was called seas.
The dry land mass was called earth.

quote:
Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The dry land mass that made up the continental plates is what was divided.

God Bless,

Once again, you are simply misrepresenting what the Bible story says.

There is no mention of Continental plates or that any continental plates were divided.

jar point out to me where I said the Bible said anything about the continental plates.

The Bible does say there was a body of water in one place.

The Bible does say the dry land was called earth.

The Bible does say the earth was divided in the days of Peleg. Genesis 10:25.

The Earth's outer rigid crust called the lithosphere is composed of seven or eight major plates which many call continental plates, which ride on the fluid like asthenosphere.

Science tells us how the division of the land mass was accomplished by the plates moving on the asthenosphere.

The Bible just says it was divided in the days of peleg.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 215 of 242 (790078)
08-25-2016 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by jar
08-23-2016 8:41 AM


Re: The Bible tells us nothing of value relating to science.
Hi jar,

You can rant and rave all you want too. You can also say anything your hearts or mind desires to say.

You can believe the Bible or not believe the Bible.

But you can't change what it says by all your obfuscation.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 216 of 242 (790081)
08-25-2016 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by 14174dm
08-23-2016 8:37 AM


Re: Hi 14174Re: Science vs. creation "science"
Hi dm

dm writes:

I don't see why the verse is talking about continental drift rather than political/social borders.

The Hebrew word פרד means separate. Genesis 10:32

This is the Hebrew word translated divided in Genesis 10:32. But it does not mean divided. It means separate, or separated.

The Hebrew word פלג means divided or split. Genesis 10:25

This Hebrew word is used 4 times in the Bible. Here in Genesis 10:25 and 1 Ch 1:19 both referring to Peleg and the earth being divided in his days.
It is also used in Job 38:25 and Psa 55:9

dm writes:

You are talking about a process - splitting the one land mass into continents - that would trigger earthquakes and volcanoes which don't seem to be mentioned in the one brief verse or elsewhere.

And you know that because......

dm writes:

Meanwhile the Bible uses sunrise and sunset instead of describing the face of the earth rotating toward or away from the sun.

The Bible uses evening the close of a light period and morning the close of a dark period.

dm writes:

I think that dividing the earth is more shorthand description than literal scientific language.

Who said anything about scientific language.

Genesis 10:25 predates the modern knowledge of tectronic plates by over 3,000 years.

Genesis 10:25 makes a statement of fact.

If I remember correctly my science book had an article on Pangea and other super continents where the land mass was one. Then divided into separate pieces.

But no one here wants to believe that over 3,000 years ago Moses wrote about water in one place making dry land sticking up through the water. Then that land mass being divided in the days of Peleg.

Oh and I don't believe it took more than a nano second to divide to where it is now and it has not quite come to a full stop.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 219 of 242 (790126)
08-26-2016 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by NoNukes
08-25-2016 10:21 AM


Re: Hi 14174Re: Science vs. creation "science"
Hi NoNukes

NoNukes writes:

As has been pointed out several times, any of these words are perfectly appropriate to describe folks who are dispersed into separate tribes/nations after Babel.

quote:
The Hebrew word פלג means divided or split. Genesis 10:25

This word is used 4 times in the Hebrew text. It is never used concerning people, or nations.

NoNukes writes:

You are wasting time when you talk about translations from Hebrew without addressing this point.

The definitions of words are not translations.

NoNukes writes:

Can you point to a reference that adopts and explains your position.

Sure, the Hebrew text or the KJV Bible.

NoNukes writes:

There might be some quibbles about the timing, but at least some folks accept the part about the water being in one place without accepting that such a description necessarily means a single continent.

Why would there be some quibbles about the timing of when Moses wrote Genesis 10:25?

NoNukes writes:

After all, currently all of the world's oceans are a contiguous body of water, and are in one place in exactly the way described in the Bible.

All water today is not gathered into one place. Neither is it a contiguous body of water.

Here is a list of land locked bodies of water.
💡Names of Landlocked Seas.
🔅Aral Sea
🔅Lake Balkhash
🔅Caspian Sea
🔅Lake Chad
🔅Lake Chilwa
🔅Chott Melrhir
🔅Dead Sea
🔅Lake Eyre
🔅Issyk Kul
🔅Namtso
🔅Sea of Galilee
🔅Great Salt Lake
🔅Qinghai Lake
🔅Salton Sea
🔅Lake Torrens
🔅Lake Turkana
🔅Lake Van

Back up and punt.

NoNukes writes:

Such tactics border on being dishonest if they do not, in fact, cross that border.

Coming from an educated fellow that just told me that all the water in the world was one contiguous body of water your statement just made my day.

And yes I did notice you said the oceans were a contiguous body of waer.

But you had just said that was just like what he :Bible said.

Your interpretation is lacking.

quote:
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

That says all the water under heaven was in one place. Not some of the water.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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