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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Ah yes, an illegal law of the land, imposed on the nation without any action of the legislature, just autocratic judicial tyranny as usual. Sorry Faith but it cannot have been an illegal law and it was not imposed by tyranny. Have you ever read the US Constitution Faith. The courts have no armies, no police, no enforcement agencies. They cannot ever be tyrants.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Ah yes, now it's ANY opinion, right? Just any old opinion has a right if my opinion has a right. If someone thinks people should marry dogs that should be treated as an opinion to be respected. An opinion that has rights, that should be protected by law so that it can be acted upon. Of course. The opinion that men who are attracted to boys should be allowed to act on it is gaining favor in some quarters. Obviously since it's somebody's opinion it should be respected. Well, that's what you seemed to be saying. If what you meant was that it's only tyranny if you and people who agree with you aren't allowed to act on your opinions, and fuck everyone else, then it would have been franker of you to say so; then we'd know where you stand. And then you could try to explain what makes you so fucking special.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Perhaps questions could be asked about the legality of the Emancipation Proclamation but I'm not up on the issues. I believe, however, that Lincoln had given fair warning and reasons for his action in advance, and that he had constitutional power to do what he did in a time of war, which already makes it far more legal than the Supreme Court's actions. The Supreme Court also acted against laws passed by the people in many states, which to my mind is a horrific violation of democratic principles.
However, Theodoric's bringing this up did remind me that my first take on the dismissal wasn't as positive as I reported it in my OP. The OP reflects more of the opinion of the Liberty Counsel than my own first take. I'm back to my first take: the dismissal was not the great victory I wish it had been, but more of a compromise that at least set her free from the outrageous mistreatment of her. I can go with compromise though, as I've argued here already. It may be the best way of dealing with this inherently rotten legal situation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
For me it's not about people, or WHO has a right to an opinion, it's about the worthiness of the opinion; , but of course as I was saying in that post, for your side it's about people and any old opinion is fine if somebody holds it. That WAS my point. You didn't get it but of course you wouldn't.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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For me it's not about people, or WHO has a right to an opinion, it's about the worthiness of the opinion ... Where the worthiness of opinions is, of course, determined by you, rather than, for example, me, or those awful gay people. So, what makes you so fucking special?
but of course as I was saying in that post, for your side it's about people It is not, I hope, discreditable in me to love my neighbor. There are precedents for so doing.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The Supreme Court also acted against laws passed by the people in many states, which to my mind is a horrific violation of democratic principles. That's what they're for, Faith. If the Supreme Court can't decide that a law is constitutional, then who can, and who will defend us from unconstitutional laws? If they couldn't "act against laws passed by the people" then the Constitution wouldn't be a Constitution, it would be a set of obsolete guidelines that everyone ignores.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 370 days) Posts: 242 Joined: |
The Supreme Court also acted against laws passed by the people in many states, which to my mind is a horrific violation of democratic principles. I've still never gotten an answer from you about this belief of yours. You keep saying that the people passed laws in several states, but what happens when the people vote to uphold gay marriage recognition - after voting against it? Then a few decades later, they vote again & this time they deny the rights of gays to marry? and then a couple of years later...you see where I'm going? When does it stop? Have you thought that through? I'd appreciate a reply.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1530 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Only if they themselves are hetero and are confined to the work area by chains or other manner of restraints.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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quote: The US is not a democracy. It was intentionally not founded as one. That the Supreme Court can act against laws passed by the people is EXACTLY how the founders wisely intended it. JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've still never gotten an answer from you about this belief of yours. You keep saying that the people passed laws in several states, but what happens when the people vote to uphold gay marriage recognition - after voting against it? Then a few decades later, they vote again & this time they deny the rights of gays to marry? and then a couple of years later...you see where I'm going? When does it stop? Have you thought that through? I'd appreciate a reply. Sorry if I didn't reply. What can I say? Times change, people's minds change.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read the Constitution. Majority rules. Democracy or not.
Lincoln was himself reluctant to force the pro-slavery South to give it up even though he disagreed with it, because he believed in their right to govern themselves. He thought it required diplomacy and time to bring them around. Apparently the war allowed him to force it on them. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Supreme Court is always redefining the Constitution. They certainly can't be trusted to interpret it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The Supreme Court is always redefining the Constitution. They certainly can't be trusted to interpret it. And yet that is in fact the job with which the Constitution entrusts them in Article III Section 2.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Read the Constitution. Majority rules. No. Read the Constitution. There are things the government cannot do, even if it has the mandate of the majority.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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quote: Apparently you haven't read the Constitution for comprehension. It's NOT "majority rules". It has quite a variety of checks and balances against exactly that. Wow. JB
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