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Tanypteryx
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Message 145 of 254 (777451)
01-31-2016 4:23 PM
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01-31-2016 3:34 PM


Re: Suicide by COP
You shoot someone aren't you supposed to at least try to render some assistance? Or was this supposed to be a shoot-to-kill?
Maybe it was obvious he was dead. So far I don't think there have been any reports of how many times he was shot or where he was hit.
ABE: I have also been wondering if there were body cam videos of the shooting? Maybe those are too graphic or they are withholding them for any trials.
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Message 158 of 254 (788341)
07-29-2016 4:11 PM


Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot'
Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot' Not Subject To US Courts
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I, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent, Bundy wrote in a motion filed to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 160 of 254 (788343)
07-29-2016 4:48 PM
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07-29-2016 4:25 PM


Re: Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot'
I love the way the sovereignty people use Interstate Highways, US dollars, the banking system, the post office, expect protection through the police and courts, etc. but don't have to live by the laws they don't like or pay taxes.
They must have been spoiled brats as kids because they are now.
Well, their parents are thieves, so it's not too surprising that the kids are also.
Too bad there isn't a vaccine for stupid, but Cliven is probably an anti-vaxxer also.

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Message 162 of 254 (788379)
07-30-2016 3:12 PM


The prosecution lays out its case
As we the trial nears this is going to become an interesting story again. I hope the prosecution does not let anymore of these anti-American traitors plead to lesser charges. The evidence collected is overwhelming.
Prosecutors: Oregon standoff defendants broke into safes, stole federal documents, called refuge takeover 'another Bunkerville'
Document: Government's trial brief
Document: Government's list of trial exhibits
It will be interesting to see if this trial becomes an issue in the Presidential election.
I saw that the Republican National Platform includes the whole nutty Utah public land grab bullshit, so it is now basically endorsed by by all the Republicans in Congress and the whole bunch of nut-jobs that attended the GOP convention.

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Message 167 of 254 (788425)
07-31-2016 1:31 PM
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07-31-2016 1:12 PM


Re: All of their filings support a plea of insanity.
Reading their filings would certainly support a plea of insanity with remand to a psychiatric institution.
To me it seems more like "diminished capacity". A few decades ago they would have been called retards or shit for brains. The fact is these people are not only stupid, but they also worship ignorance.

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Message 170 of 254 (790207)
08-27-2016 6:44 PM


And now a few words from the lunatic fringe
An interesting read from the delusional conspiracy freaks. The comment section is also good for a giggle.
What have they done to Ryan Bundy?
and this:
Judge quashes Ryan Bundy’s subpoena of Gov. Brown
There is going to be a video feed from the trial to the BLM office in Burns. Sadly, there will be no recordings of the trial.
Judge Approves Harney County Video Feed Of Refuge Trial

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Message 171 of 254 (790643)
09-02-2016 10:43 AM


Judge rules on evidence - 5 days until trial starts
Judge Details Malheur Occupation Evidence Allowed At Trial
Oregon standoff: David Fry suffers from schizotypal personality disorder, mental health expert to testify

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Message 173 of 254 (790705)
09-03-2016 5:16 PM


More pretrial manuvers
Ammon Bundy's lawyer quotes from Western film, mocks federal prosecutors in last-minute legal motion

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Message 175 of 254 (790891)
09-07-2016 1:21 PM


Cowboy Boots in Court?
The trial starts today. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to pick a jury. Trying 8 defendants at once sounds like a huge pain in the ass!
Ammon Bundy's lawyer argues for his client's right to wear cowboy boots at trial
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"We would prefer our clients not look like disheveled slackers in front of the jury,'' Philpot told the judge during Tuesday's last pretrial conference hearing.
Philpot added later in the day in a written motion, "These men are cowboys, and given that the jury will be assessing their authenticity and credibility, they should be able to present themselves to the jury in that manner.''
Well, they probably wanted to be cowboys since they were little boys, but in reality they grew up to be slackers....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

  
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Message 176 of 254 (790893)
09-07-2016 2:18 PM


Jury assembly first day

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Message 177 of 254 (791563)
09-16-2016 7:53 PM


1st week of trial
Oregon Sheriff Testifies In Bundy Trial
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Ward also said he met with Ammon and another protester, Ryan Payne, last November, and they threatened civil unrest if he did not intervene to stop the Hammonds from going to prison, and told him We can’t control what they may or may not do.
quote:
I was told that my responsibility was to prevent them from going to prison, Ward said. If I didn’t do those things, they would bring thousands of people to town to do my job.
Ward referred to the Bundy’s standoff with the BLM in 2014 and said, The thought of that happening in my community scared the hell out of me.
quote:
In more damaging testimony, the prosecution brought out emails written in 2015 that defendant Neil Wampler had sent to Ward, threatening that if Ward did not support the Hammonds, the county would be invaded by some of the most determined and organized — and armed — citizens alive in this country today. In another message, Wampler wrote: WE AIN’T PLAYIN.
Threat Against Harney County Sheriff Described In Testimony
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Needham said that on the morning of December 7, Ryan Payne, one of the occupiers who has already pleaded guilty in the case, came to the sheriff’s office wanting to meet Ward.
Ward was away at a sheriff’s conference.
According to Needham’s testimony, Payne described his philosophy on how the federal government can’t own land and said that Sheriff Ward was not being a Constitutional sheriff. He told Needham that he needed to get rid of Sheriff Ward using any means possible, including death.
Manager of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Testifies At Trial
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He also confirmed through photographs that the men holding guns on the refuge were not government employees, leading to the larger point prosecutors are trying to prove: that the occupiers impeded federal employees while occupying the refuge.
There were dozens of photos that Karges confirmed as people who were not government employees holding large weapons.
Ammon Bundy's lawyers file motion for a mistrial, claiming 'prejudicial' testimony by Harney County sheriff
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Ward explained that what he learned about the Nevada standoff "scared the hell'' out of him. The sheriff went on to note that he had discovered during a Google search on the Internet that "some unstable people who had left that situation'' killed two police officers while they were eating lunch in a restaurant.
In court, Mumford asked the judge to strike Ward's comments, arguing they were unresponsive. The judge denied his motion.
Bundy's older brother, Ryan Bundy, then stood up and objected, also asking the court to strike Ward's statements, initially citing a hearsay objection but quickly contending instead that the comments were prejudicial.
Oregon standoff: Ammon Bundy chooses to wear jail scrubs in trial
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Ammon Bundy surprised the court Thursday when he showed up for trial wearing blue jail scrubs, with a pocket Constitution in left shirt pocket.
"Mr. Bundy desires to appear as he is, a political prisoner not free to dress as if presumed innocent,'' attorney J. Morgan Philpot said, reading his client's statement. "He would prefer to drop the facade and appear as the political prisoner he has been made.''
Bundy also bemoaned how he has been "shuffled around in chains," "molested like an animal," and not given the "utensils'' he needs to prepare for trial.
quote:
Controversy surrounding Bundy's attire began just before jury selection, when he objected to a U.S. Marshal's policy that he not be allowed to wear cowboy boots, a belt or necktie. In his objection to that policy, his lawyer argued that a juror could draw an inference that he was not presumed innocent as he was being held in custody and did not look like the other out-of-custody defendants.
The judge then denied his objections, and Bundy came to court in a tan suit jacket, white dress shirt and loafers.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 178 of 254 (791599)
09-17-2016 5:00 PM
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09-16-2016 7:53 PM


Re: 1st week of trial
Ammon Bundy's Facebook posts revealed: 'I would never show up to a rally without my arms'
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FBI agents on Friday took the witness stand to reveal some of the hundreds of thousands of Facebook posts and private messages that defendants in the Oregon standoff trial made in late December and throughout the 41-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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In several of Bundy's posts, he criticized Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, claiming the sheriff was "collaborating with the violators," while he vowed to "do whatever it takes" to protect Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steve Hammond from having to return to federal prison on arson convictions.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 179 of 254 (791715)
09-20-2016 10:52 AM


Week 2 testimony
Malheur National Wildlife Refuge fish biologist finds office 'completely trashed,' she testifies

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 181 of 254 (791813)
09-21-2016 11:34 PM
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09-20-2016 10:52 AM


Re: Week 2 testimony
Mark McConnell, man driving Jeep before Ammon Bundy's arrest, was informant, testimony reveals
Deborah Jordan Caught the Malheur Takeover on Camera. Now Her Footage is At the Center of the Bundy Trial.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 182 of 254 (791873)
09-24-2016 12:53 PM
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09-21-2016 11:34 PM


Re: Week 2 testimony
Refuge trial: Rancher describes his view of the Malheur occupation
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In the days that followed, Dunbar watched the occupation play out from his ranch. He said those at the refuge appeared to secure a perimeter, placing men armed with long guns at the front gate. Dunbar said he saw people in a nearby watchtower. Looking through binoculars, Dunbar claimed to see a person in the tower pointing a gun in his direction.
Inviting wrath of judge may be part of a calculated approach by Ammon Bundy's lawyer
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Since the Bundy trial began two weeks ago, the judge has repeatedly told Mumford to follow her rulings, reword his questions to government witnesses and occasionally to either stand up when he addresses her or sit down and stop challenging her directives.
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Despite the judge's warnings that she didn't want any defendant or defense lawyer to ask witnesses about the circumstances surrounding the fatal police shooting of occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, Mumford passed off as a question a stinging remark that Finicum was shot three times in the back, asked another witness how close police were to him when he was shot and why the FBI wasn't investigating the shooting.
Each time, prosecutors objected. Each time, the judge asked jurors to disregard Mumford's bids to get around her edicts.
Out of earshot of the jury, Brown on Thursday had enough.
She threatened Mumford with contempt of court if he continued to delve into Finicum's shooting. She told him she'd fine him $1,000 for each time he continued to violate her orders.
First Malheur Occupier Sentenced To Probation
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The sentence comes after Willingham pleaded guilty in April to theft of government property as part of a plea deal with federal prosecutors. Willingham agreed not to contact defendants in the ongoing trial of Bundy and six other occupiers as part of his plea deal, but his lawyer emphasized that Willingham was not a government informant and did not testify against the Bundys.
Willingham made headlines when he turned himself in to Grant County police in March. At that time, he threatened to shoot federal law enforcement officers if he was not jailed within a day.
This isn't testimony from the trial, but an interesting study of how these nutjobs affected the community.
Bundys did damage in Burns as well as at refuge, UO prof says.
quote:
UO geography professor Peter Walker, who is writing a book about the militia’s effect on Burns, sat among town residents as members of the group marched into the gymnasium, their guns in plain sight. Ammon Bundy, one of the leaders, silently took a seat in the bleachers as his men spread to every corner of the gymnasium.
I realized they were tactically positioning themselves for a firefight, Walker said.
Steve Grasty, the Harney County judge, halted the meeting he was presiding over and walked up to Bundy.
You have caused too much suffering in this community, Grasty said. You need to go home.
Community members rose to their feet and began to echo Grasty’s demand.
Go home. Go home. Go home, people chanted in unison.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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