Why did we stop inventing gods?

PhatYou did not answer this. Why not?Why would you slave yourself to a genocidal god who always seems to kill when he could just as easily cure those he thinks ill?Regards
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PhatYou do know what quotation marks represent. Right?Phat writes:
I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility.My question on this is, --- your god created your nature. Why did he put that addictive nature in you knowing that you could not resist following your god given nature?Seems like a set up to me.Regards
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Phat"Jobs assets and family were restored.."Can the pain of losing a child be erased by having another child?If you think so then you do not know anything about love.Regards
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Phat"First of all, I do not see God as genocidal."If you do not see Noah's flood as a genocide then nothing you say is credible.Regards
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[qs]PhatI am willfully obedient, but I have a free will.Not if you do so to a lord and master.Regards
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Phat"No. Job suffered pain. God did not directly cause that pain though by allowing satan to do it,critics could argue that God was responsible."Only a lost mind that knows nothing of justice would say that the hit-man is responsible and exonerate the Don who paid him for the hit.Regards
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Greatest I am
"Gnostic Christians always saw those invented gods, specifically Yahweh, Jesus and Allah, as immoral and not worthy of us and that is why they named those gods as immoral and vile demiurgesquote:
LamarkNewAge
"Gnostic Christianity had a negative view of Jesus?Try that one again."Reply:
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This does take a bit of explaining as my view is the modern one that was developed after Christianity merged Yahweh and Jesus into one.FTPOV, the morality of Jesus and Yahweh are tied as well as all the foul actions attributed to Yahweh/Jesus.There is more than one Jesus in scriptures. You have the Rome created one who is a kind and gentle pacifist who kowtows to Rome.
That Jesus is quite immoral if you look at his no-divorce and substitutionary atonement policies, as well as others.There is the older esoteric Jesus that Gnostic Christianity has some respect for but to us he is just an esoteric teacher and archetypal good man.----------------quote:
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" Do you know something we don't?"I don't know what you know but the above may show a modern twist to Gnostic Christianity that you did not know. We have to evolve or will end in stagnation and idol worship the way Christianity and Islam have.As to my Gnostic Christian origins, I see us as first being a group of Jews, pagans and gentiles who called themselves Chrestians.Christianity then usurped that name in their efforts to wipe us off the earth. We may never know though as the sands of time and Christianity's burning of our scriptures when they decimated us may have hidden the tracks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r...Regards
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frakoI hear you.Christians do not call a spade a spade when that spade is their god.Gnostic Christians are more honest and that is why we call Yahweh a vile demiurge.Regards
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PhatYour free will gambit is bogus.1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.This shows that Jesus did not have the free will to refuse to do the immoral thing and promote substitutionary atonement.This also shows that God would have had to not only choose Jesus to die, he would also have had to choose the man that killed him.Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or it’s all man’s fault.That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.Regards
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Phat" You are not helping people by glorifying the snake and demonizing God."Is it helping people to tell them they should honor a genocidal son murdering god who tells us to venerate life while he kills instead of cures those he thinks defective?Regards
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mike the wizSo much hate in a post, I have not seen in a while.You must be a Christian."your opinion God is "immoral" is a matter of opinion."Absolutely right.Care to put your opinion and subjective views against mine?We cannot prove one way or the other if god is real but should be able to analyse the morality the bible tries to sell.Two particular tenets that I highlight for their immorality is Jesus' no-divorce policy as well as the substitutionary atonement policy that his Father uses.Care to engage and put your hate to good use for my side as I pin your moral ears back?Regards
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mike the wiz" He also said He laid down His life of His own accord."1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.Being chosen is not the same as volunteering and even if he did volunteer, which you can only believe if you ignore the sermon on the mount where Jesus clearly states he is doing the will of god and not his own, substitutionary atonement is still an immoral practice.Care to debate the morality?If so.Human sacrifice is evil and God demanding one and accepting one is evil.Those trying to profit from that evil are evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong — say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong — you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant — of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.Do you agree?
If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.If you do not wish to engage then take your hate filled heart and go away.Regards
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Phat"In other words, belief is our only evidence."Belief is evidence of nothing but that belief.Faith without facts is for fools.------"And you want tests, as if we can ask Him to come down for a moment....oh wait...He already has!"A teacher sometimes has to repeat his lesson for some students who did not quite get it.Your god, instead of doing so just sends the less bright in the class to everlasting punishment and torture in hell.Do you think that is what a loving god or teacher should do?Regards
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Phat"Why is it evil to provide the sacrifice?"Because of, ---- Though shalt not murder.Further, justice prefers to punish the guilty and not the innocent while substitutionary atonement/sacrifice punishes the innocent instead of the guilty.---------"And how can someone who believes that we are the only gods there will ever be even try in the same breath to indict God?"I do so because I have tested the principles involved.Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.You too likely tested the principles.Tell us, do you think it is good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty?-------"Here is a question for you: If you believe that we are the only gods there will ever be, would you not also say that we are the only devils there will ever be?Yes."If so, how do we become a unified and peaceful world? How do we get rid of the devil within us?"We cannot. All we can do is ignore our evil tendencies or reduce the harm that they do.We must sin, in the sense that we are evolving creatures who must do good by cooperating and must also do evil be competing and creating victims to those competitions.We have to create victims and all we can do is try to make their victimhood as painless as possible.If you can take competition out of us we would likely go extinct as we could not have the fittest rise to the top and the least fit go extinct.To gain the unified and peaceful world we all seek, the world, as Jesus said, would have to elect ourselves a new god. God here is a world leader and a one world government.Both Christianity and Islam seek a one world government, under their own version of god, and that is what all the conflicts stem from. IMO of course.Regards
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RingoWhich is likely why Christians adore the genocidal son murderer Yahweh. They are keeping their eyes on the prize of salvation while ignoring that that same god is the one who condemned them in the first place.Intellectual and moral dissonance that.Regards
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