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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
Faith 
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Message 1189 of 1257 (791675)
09-19-2016 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by edge
09-19-2016 6:57 PM


Re: Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
But you have said that strata are no longer being deposited and that no fossils are being formed today.
Did I read that wrongly?
Fraid so. You may be getting some limited areas of strata but they are not the Geologic Column. You are probably getting some fossils here and there but they are certainly not fossils building on top of the Holocene Period or whatever is the last one in the Geo Column, say as found in the Grand Staircase. Probably quite a motley crew as a matter of fact.
So, the 'geological column' is over, kaput?
Yup. The Flood made it so when the Flood ended so did the Geo Column. It stands as a memorial to that event and a record of the living things that existed in the pre-Flood world.
As for the Martian strata, I've said my bit. I guess you and Percy can continue it as you like.
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Message 1191 of 1257 (791680)
09-19-2016 7:30 PM
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09-19-2016 7:27 PM


Re: Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
Can't be the end of geology. You still have gold to find, (maybe even) oil to find though you haven't proved this yet. How about all the other precious stones and metals on the earth? Isn't that something you guys do? How about studying volcanoes? I think there's lots for geology to dol, and in fact I don't think you've ever needed OE dates or used them as you think. And as a matter of fact how about studying what the Flood did and how it did it.
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Faith 
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Message 1193 of 1257 (791686)
09-19-2016 7:54 PM
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09-19-2016 7:41 PM


Re: Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
I suppose that could be true, the Flood is boring compared to the vast scope of imagination the OE vision provides. However, if there is really no utility to the dates, which I'm afraid still seems to stand unanswered, then it's really not all that fun anyway.
Actually, I have used absolute dates in oil exploration. I mentioned this earlier.
And I've acknowledged that you probably do use those dates, but nevertheless you haven't said anything about how they are necessary, what they actually tell you that you can't find out from relative dating and seismic imaging.
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Faith 
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Message 1218 of 1257 (791785)
09-21-2016 3:42 PM
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09-20-2016 10:17 AM


Re: Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
Wikipedia by Admin writes:
Layered sedimentary deposits are widespread on Mars.
You've often said that sedimentary deposits can only result from a planet-wide flood, and you say here that, "The Martian strata are not the result of a flood," so how did those layers that are sedimentary arise? Upon what evidence are you basing your claims?
I could never have said that "sedimentary deposits CAN ONLY RESULT from a world-wide flood." ("A" world-wide flood? ) What you must be misreading is my claim that the sedimentary deposits that make up the Geologic Column would have been the result of THE world-wide Flood of Noah. There are certainly sedimentary deposits going on today, even in layers apparently, such as at the bottom of the oceans. You may consider them to be continuations of the Geologic Column, I don't. When you can produce a collection of fossils from those deposits that would be those expected to occur above say, the Holocene, you may have a case.
I believe it was you who said "The Martian strata are not the result of a flood" not I, but of course I agree in any case. I already said what it looks like to me, that the layers on Mars are most likely predominantly volcanic. Ash and basalt are also "sedimentary deposits" but if there are others mixed in they are still nothing like what we see in the Geo Column on Earth. They "LOOK" like they are all the same kind of material, as I said, and they "LOOK" like they are similar in thickness, nothing at all like the strata of the Geo Column. And no matter how "widespread" they may be I see no reason to impute planet-wide extent to them as I do to the Geologic Column. Correction: I realize the Geo Column itself isn't worldwide. I impute its formation to the worldwide Flood, however, which WAS worldwide.
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Faith 
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Message 1219 of 1257 (791789)
09-21-2016 4:28 PM
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09-19-2016 10:43 PM


edge explains use of OE dating for finding oil
And I've acknowledged that you probably do use those dates, but nevertheless you haven't said anything about how they are necessary, what they actually tell you that you can't find out from relative dating and seismic imaging.
Actually, I did. In so many words, anyway.
Radiometric dates help determine the thermal history of a basin and when/where oil might be generated. If a date is too old, the oil might have already formed and migrated, or the heat from an intrusive might be too old to have affected a source rock.
This kind of information is used as a filter to set priorities for maintaining a land position or when to drill a target.
However, what you say is that all intrusive rocks are of the same age. That really doesn't fly in any kind of exploration.
In some mineral exploration, age dates are critical in determining targets and prioritizing them. Too old or too young in the Rocky Mountains and no one wants to spend money on them.
This is interesting. Finally someone has given an answer to the question about how OE dating helps in finding oil. Unfortunately this may be off topic here, but it would be good to understand more about this. As written it's still rather mystifying to me.
Temperature seems to be the point of the dating, but I'm not sure how that works. If it's the current temperature of the rocks how does dating help establish that? Why couldn't you drop a thermometer down a core pipe to find out? And how would you determine the date of a buried rock in any case? I understand that simply knowing its time period, such as "Carboniferous" would give too broad a range of dates if you are trying to determine a more exact date as the basis for determining temperature.
Anyway I hope this can be discussed further somewhere, if not here.

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Faith 
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Message 1222 of 1257 (791804)
09-21-2016 7:34 PM


I have to make one comment and if I'm suspended again way it goes.
"How it looks to me" may not be Grade A evidence but it IS evidence. Perhaps it looks that way to others as well and if they would chime in that would improve the quality of the evidence. But it's still evidence. It's the only evidence James Hutton had for the great age of the earth when he pondered how Siccar Point "looked to him." He gave the particulars that led him to that conclusion, and I've given particulars that led me to mine. His were pure subjective judgment from his observation, so are mine.

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