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Message 1119 of 1257 (790868)
09-07-2016 8:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 1118 by Faith
09-07-2016 7:57 AM

Re: Walther's Law
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I'm not "flatly denying" anything and you are having one of your typical conniption fits over nothing, just out of this tremendous need you have to find fault with me even if you have to invent it, which of course you usually do
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Your dislike of criticism is no justification for false accusations.
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The situation Stile and I are addressing has to do with a stratigraphic column which as far as I've ever seen is a vertical stack of different sediments, and that is the foundation for this discussion, the vertical strata and nothing else.
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Since I was explaining why your objection to Stile was wrong it is rather hard to imagine that it is irrelevant to your discussion.
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ABE: I realized that the situation Stile is describing has nothing to do with Walther's Law anyway, since that applies to sediments deposited by rising water. He is talking about ocean transgressing over, or into, a sedimentary accumulation that was deposited by terrestrial means.
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And thus you prove me right, by explicitly denying that Walther's Law applies4 to a transgression.
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Message 1127 of 1257 (790878)
09-07-2016 9:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 1118 by Faith
09-07-2016 7:57 AM

Re: Walther's Law
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Walther's Law of Facies, or simply Walther's Law, named after the geologist Johannes Walther (1860-1937), states that the vertical succession of facies reflects lateral changes in environment. Conversely, it states that when a depositional environment "migrates" laterally, sediments of one depositional environment come to lie on top of another.[4] In Russia the law is known as Golovkinsky-Walther's Law, honoring also Nikolai A. Golovkinsky[5] (1834-1897). A classic example of this law is the vertical stratigraphic succession that typifies marine transgressions and regressions.
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Let me repeat that last sentence: A classic example of this law is the vertical stratigraphic succession that typifies marine transgressions and regressions.
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Message 1137 of 1257 (790924)
09-08-2016 12:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 1136 by Faith
09-07-2016 11:23 PM

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The "side-by-side" phenomenon described by Walther's Law has to do with the sedimentary deposits brought about by the transgressing sea itself, the vertical layering plus the lateral deposits all as a result of the transgression.
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If you note Message 1127 you will see that Walther's law is a general principle when environments lie side-by-side. Transgression and regression are simply the classic example.
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The example I'm exploring with Stile is something else entirely: terrestrial sediments being transgressed by the sea, which is a different situation. If it involves Walther's Law it nevertheless has nothing to do with the lateral deposits laid down BY the sea.
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The terrestrial sediments laid down near the shore should obviously be included - the idea that Walther's Law is solely about sediments laid down BY the sea even when dealing with a transgression is simply wrong.
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AND I've never seen a stratigraphic column with side-by-side sediments of either source. I suppose it could happen but I haven't seen it. And again the side-by-side situation in this example is NOT the kind of situation Walther's Law explains.
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The whole reason for bringing up Walther's Law is that it is exactly the situation that Walther's law describes.
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Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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09-21-2016 4:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 1219 by Faith
09-21-2016 4:28 PM

Re: edge explains use of OE dating for finding oil
I can explain how temperature is relevant. If a rock gets too hot the radiometric clock gets "reset", making it look younger than it is (for some methods, at least). If the daughter product is gas, it can be released from crystals. Decay tracks can anneal. And so on.
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