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Author Topic:   A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
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Message 3 of 336 (784255)
05-15-2016 9:03 AM


Is there any point to your assertion?
Is there a point or value to your assertion? Is it really just turtles all the way down?

Does it matter whether or not there is or was some first cause?

Are we not more interested in what caused this accident, what caused this fire, what caused this banana to taste better than that banana?

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Message 23 of 336 (784278)
05-15-2016 10:42 PM
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05-15-2016 6:18 PM


Re: Is there any point to your assertion?
But you are assuming that the explanation must be logical and that the first cause had to be caused? Other than your unsupported assertions is there any evidence the first cause had to be caused?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 44 of 336 (784325)
05-16-2016 8:08 PM
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05-16-2016 5:10 PM


Logically there can be no explanation because there is no first cause. There is only a first thing and it is uncaused. That is the point of the proof.

But there can be an explanation; for example "The first cause has no prior cause." would be an explanation. "It is turtles all the way down." is an explanation. "Brahma slept and dreamed." is an explanation.


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Message 47 of 336 (784331)
05-16-2016 10:11 PM
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05-16-2016 9:25 PM


All great questions but irrelevant to the topic of the OP.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 49 of 336 (784334)
05-16-2016 11:05 PM
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05-16-2016 10:14 PM


How so? Is the topic not " A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained"? If the universe is explained then would those not be other questions?

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Message 68 of 336 (784382)
05-17-2016 5:01 PM
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05-17-2016 4:57 PM


If the explanation is that the first cause had no prior cause is that not an explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 88 of 336 (784424)
05-18-2016 8:25 AM
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05-17-2016 11:39 PM


But that is not what he asked, and if the answer to any of those is simply that it has no cause then that is the explanation.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 90 of 336 (784427)
05-18-2016 8:26 AM
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05-18-2016 7:42 AM


Why is it not an explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 101 of 336 (784457)
05-18-2016 12:06 PM
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But if "it just exists" is true then yes it is an explanation.

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Message 291 of 336 (793179)
10-23-2016 9:19 AM
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10-23-2016 6:20 AM


quote:
- It either created itself from absolutely nothing, which is impossible to explain

- Or it was always there and had no beginning, which is also impossible to explain

- Therefore, the universe cannot be explained

Where: Universe = Multiverse = All of Existence


But you have still never explained why those things are impossible to explain someday?

Or why there are only the two options?

So I don't quite see how you really have anything!


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Message 334 of 336 (864592)
10-13-2019 10:51 AM
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10-13-2019 10:49 AM


Re: What are the limits of science?
And everybody knows that the Ultimate Answer is "42".

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