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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Coyote writes: Not only that, hyenas are fatal to that "definition" of "kind". Any definition creationists come up with for "kind," which makes the "cat kind" and the "dog kind" come out the way they want, also makes the "ape kind" work as well, an idea which most of them absolutely reject! In the end, the creationist definition of "kind" is: hey, look mommy, a doggie! Then pointing towards a hyena...
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Gregory Rogers writes: What the heck is a Darwinist perspective on DNA? Did you make it up?
....although, by now I certainly have my answer, at least from a Darwinist perspective....
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Yada, Yada, Yada.
Word salads. All the emprical, verifiable evidence from all over the world show that the first form of life as we know it were some forms of prokaryotes.
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Taq writes: Great explanation. I'd like to add that not all humans have Neanderthal DNA. Remains of Neanderthal genomes are found in Europeans and East Asians for example, but people of Sub-Sahara African ancestry don't have those genes. The question I often ask in return is how do they know that 5% of the modern human genome is made up of Neanderthal DNA?... Scientists Identify Neanderthal Genes in Modern Human DNA | Anthropology | Sci-News.com First part:
In two new studies, genetic researchers have shown that about 20 percent of the Neanderthal genome survives in modern humans of non-African ancestry and identified exactly which areas of the human genome retain segments of Neanderthal DNA. So, they know exactly where to look for remains of the Neanderthal genome in humans. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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mike the whizz writes: Actually, the known facts are that all forms of design came from naturally occurring phenomena. Humans designed bridges and buildings. And computers. Beavers designed beaver dams. Bees designed bee hives, etc. I've always thought of this question as being the wrong way around. We must go from knowledge and facts firstly. Known facts ...comes from intelligent design. All designs so far came from natural phenomena. None came from Spooks. Those are the known facts. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one was funny.
mike the wizz writes: I guess he is referring to the Wright brothers who designed the Airbus A380...all by themselves. And the Wright brothers were supposed to be Spooks. So factually speaking, only intelligent designers have the ability to design designed things, according to 100% knowledge. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
They were not Spooks. They were naturally occurring phenomena.
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CRR writes: It is serious. It's basic. Show your maths.
Seriously? This is basic stuff. It's why Lenski is using bacteria and not elephants for his experiment.
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Taq writes: Apparantly some huge adult airplanes did bump into each other at Tenerive some time ago. Both those planes were intoxicated by fog. A daddy airplane and a mommy airplane do not get together and make baby airplanes. It is this difference between life and airplanes that makes the analogy meaningless. They never produced babies, though. They both just got burnt and hundreds of people lost their lives. Blame the Wright Brothers for that! The Wright brothers were bad, bad, bad for inventing planes... therefore plane travel is false and huge planes can't fly.... Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Gregory Rogers writes: Wow, wow wow. This is crazy. Do you define 'vestigial' as it has always been used in science or the creationist strawman of it? The vestigial limb is cited as proof of this. Then the word "proof". That's not science. You know that creationists make up their own meaning of words and then pretend that their meaning is used in science? Maybe you should start reading some science instead of creationist non-science propaganda? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one is just as funny.
Gregory Rogers writes: Ah, great. When are you off to dig out the bones you, yourself found? Publish your findings in some relevant scientific journal, etc? Are you going off? Please provide us with the info, we all are very, very interested.
The best way to test this is, I would say, to examine the limb itself
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
CRR writes: Then you provide a reference to an Electrical Engineer writing something somewhere about mutations. Lots and lots of words and formulaes and nothing else. No maths done. It's known as Haldane's Dilemma. From there:
Also, this paper focuses on single substitutions (non-overlapping in time). Multiple substitutions (overlapping in time) are an advanced topic to be covered in another paper. Until the basics are covered, we need to leave out genetic complexities, like sexual reproduction and diploidy. What? He writes a paper only dealing with point mutations in organisms having kids asexually and diploidy? Then goes on about humans and chimps? Colour me unimpressed. To me ReMine seems to be a bit of a loon. He missed all those other forms of mutations we know of and discovered since 1957. So, CRR, could you show us the maths? Not a reference. The maths supporting your claims.
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Yes, Coyote, for some reason YEC's think that nobody knows about nonsense YEC's write? Even me, as a non-genetisist could pick up that ReMine wrote nonsense.
Hey, CRR, show us the maths. YEC's really are delusional. What bothers me is that they think that all people are as delusional as they are. CRR, show us the maths. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
It seems as if CRR is not ever going to to the basic maths he was talking about. I think that he/she didn't tell the truth. CRR, like all those creationists, seems to be a bit scared when having to confront people who actually know what's going on.
Hey, CRR, please present the maths supporting your claim. Do the sums. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one was funny.
CRR writes: Well, maybe he has to start presenting his paper in some relevant peer-reviewed journal...without that it's like presenting a "paper" on Noddy in TJ. Who has refuted ReMine's paper? No one that I know of. Do the maths for us, CRR. Here. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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