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ringo Member (Idle past 706 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'm glad you can tell the difference.
No. I am anxious when addicted. I am fearful when sober.Perhaps knowing that it is a concrete emotion I am facing helps me to stay sober.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... Exercise is very important to me, as I have Type II Diabetes and my feet are growing numb and insensitive. ... Know something like how that feels -- I had neuropathy in my feet following chemo (side effect), and it made my feet nerves fire indiscriminately, and I could not distinguish false signals from real ones, and this created balance problems. Gone now, thankfully.
On a positive note, I am exercising more, getting out more and reuniting with old friends as well as making new ones, and even posting at EvC more...if that counts! Of course it counts, but be careful ... healthy living can be addictive [/kidding] by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Today is the hundredth day of sobriety and I am starting to feel fear ratyher than simply anxiety. The fear is about events, circumstances, and people in my past. Some of these problems are mean't for today....like the fear of losing my legs to diabetes or the fear that I wont get my job back and that I will be broke and sick in my older years.
Of course, God has blessed me and I have the intelligence and ability to fight these circumstances....but it is almost like ringo is prophetic---in another thread he says I have an obsession about having things done for me...and perhaps my fear is rooted way back in childhood about having to grow up without a father.(he died when I was 17) and I was always provided for and taken care of. Im not gonna get too psychoanalytical, but I will report that as of today I am experiencing some unfamiliar emotions.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The unfamiliar feelings are a sign of progress, getting out of the old rut comfort place and stepping out on your own.
keep it up. <3by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2400 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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m not gonna get too psychoanalytical, but I will report that as of today I am experiencing some unfamiliar emotions. That may be good, as it may have been the familiar ones that were the problem?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Stile Member (Idle past 337 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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You can do it, Phat!
Who knew that the new-you (one no longer in the habit of gambling and drinking) could come with some new-emotions? Hang in there, and keep fighting the good fight. 100 days, whoo!!!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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I am very proud of you. I know a few people with addictions and can say very few get as far as you have. Keep it up. Do whatever you need to do to be successful in moving forward. You have done the hardest part.
Remember your friends(yes friends) here at EVC support you and are rooting for you and ready to do what needs to be done to continue to support you. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Thank you, Theodoric. That means a lot. According to Dr.Carnes, the emotions will intensify after roughly 130 days for several months. I plan on reporting my progress every 20 days or so...and recording what I feel. I have a counselor, the support of my church, and am attending a step group.
Now that the initial addiction is under control, my secondary addiction of emotional co dependence is looming large. I have always had friends younger than myself...many of whom are now like younger brothers--but at the time I met them I identified with them so much I nearly lived vicariously through them. As a future leader---I want to become a chaplain rather than just a volunteer--I need to be emotionally healthy. My 3rd addiction is overeating or hi sugar foods---which I cannot handle, being diabetic. What most people do not fully understand is that once I choose to become sober from all of my habits, the root cause of the addictions manifests as a deep pained anxiety which I have yet to identify. We all have our challenges in life, though---and my hope and prayer is that by my journaling this stuff, perhaps others can someday follow the sober path.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Stile Member (Idle past 337 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: my hope and prayer is that by my journaling this stuff, perhaps others can someday follow the sober path. Doing it for science! Ha ha
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Phat,in January writes: First and foremost, however, is a willingness to let go and use logic and reason. Experts say that the healing really starts after 150 days sobriety. i have never made it past 72 days in my life. Today is Day 105! I am facing pain and anxiety off and on, and hypothesize that I always have felt these things yet previously self medicated through addictions which i have now stopped. God plays a big role in my recovery, but He does not do it for me...He gives me the mindfulness to remain sober. I dont have anything new to report, but I sense that the feelings will intensify in the next ...oh lets call it 90 more days. Pray that I stay sober. I believe that God wills that I make it, but He wont stop me should I trick myself into a relapse.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I dont have anything new to report, ... Every day is a new thing. Keep up the good work. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Keep on plugging Phat. I am glad to hear about your success.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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I applied the 4 step method to my anxiety and also prayed and today my mind feels like im a new person!
quote: I knew about Schwartz a year ago, but am now applying his 4 step method to deal with the feelings I am experiencing. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You GO dude!
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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It seems that I am in a feisty argumentative mood as day 107 is lived. I feel like defending and defining or redefining my faith as I believe it.
One Pastor challenged me---do I trust God or science? Personally I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. I definitely believe that trusting someone greater than I is crucial to success. Jeffrey Schwartz, in explaining his 4 step method, maintains that the way to overcome the stuck brain is to observe ones irrational feelings from a 3rd person perspective. He calls such a mindset the "impartial spectator".
Schwartz writes: So, that term, impartial spectator he used to mean that we can actually look from the outside into ourselves, taking the perspective of an impartial person. You can actually utilize a perspective of attention that is like standing outside yourself, like being another rational, fair-minded person who's viewing you and what you are doing and thinking, and has access to your inner experience. It is definitely one way to make it through the irrational feelings phase of healing.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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