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Tanypteryx
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Message 83 of 187 (794548)
11-16-2016 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by New Cat's Eye
11-16-2016 7:30 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
Cat Sci msg 73 writes:
A damn 40% tax rate. Fuck that.
Wait a minute, right now I assume you have a tax rate AND an insurance premium paid for by or your employer. If we go to a government single payer system your tax rate goes up about the equivalent of 50% of your insurance premium, but you do not pay an insurance premium any longer. Or a little less is paid for from taxes and the individual pays a relatively small monthly amount.
That is how Medicare is right now, the individual pays about $100 a month (out of their Social Security check).
I've seen the government fuck up enough shit that the last thing that I want them in charge of is my healthcare.
Me too, I've seen the republicans in the United States Congress intentionally try to fuck up everything the government does, plus they cut all the funding for regulators that catch the fuck ups and fraud so it cannot be fixed.
I don't know about you, but I have been dealing with private sector billing and insurance fuck ups constantly for the past decade. I had to take off work early this morning so I could tell the person at the insurance company that I want them to talk to my wife about fuck ups in my billing because she can hear a lot better than me.
I have told my insurance company multiple times on the phone and in writing that my medical supply company is charging too much and is making mistakes in the quantity they are billing for and nothing is being done. I am on my 4th supply company and they all do it because they know that there are no regulators looking over their shoulders. The industry is self-regulating and we are paying for all those extra costs through higher premiums.
I also don't want to pay more in taxes. And I'd like to keep my healthcare costs reasonable.
A large part of the costs for this should be paid for by large corporations and the wealthiest individuals in return for their larger than normal access and influence over government, at all levels.
And I recognize that this kind of a health care system is unlikely to come about in America as long as the republicans have any power and as long as our elections are corrupted in all the ways that those profiteering from the system are directing.
More and more of our government is being sabotaged and privatized and as the saying goes, "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Edited by Tanypteryx, : spelling
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Tanypteryx
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Message 114 of 187 (794605)
11-17-2016 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by New Cat's Eye
11-17-2016 9:39 AM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
My employer pays me a salary and on top of that they pay for my health insurance as a benefit.
Well, lucky you. The places I worked have all required me to pay a portion of the insurance premiums.
Going to the single payer system above would take money out of my pocket and save my employer the cost of insurance premiums. No thanks.
Oh, I didn't realize. The rest of us should just continue being fucked over so we don't rock the boat for you. Right now for profit insurance is doing a shitty job for most of us and it is far more expensive than it needs to be so the top executive can make billions for which they pay little or no tax.
That is how Medicare is right now, the individual pays about $100 a month (out of their Social Security check).
Medicare also requires supplemental insurance.
Yes, I am aware of that. I pay $100 a month for medicare that covers about 80% of my medical costs. The Bush administration pushed through the medicare bill that was written by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies so they could get a piece of the action. The other 20% of my medical bills cost me $600 a month plus there are co-pays and deductibles.
Medicare has a 3% overhead, insurance companies have a 50-60% overhead.
So why would you want them in charge of your healthcare?
I don't want Congress in charge I want Medicare in charge. They do a great job compared to private insurance.
I don't know about you, but I have been dealing with private sector billing and insurance fuck ups constantly for the past decade.
I'd expect it to be worse with the government...
How flawless is the Medicare billing?
Well, you would be wrong. I have never had an error on the Medicare side of things.
More and more of our government is being sabotaged and privatized and as the saying goes, "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
And yet, you still want them in charge of your healthcare?
I guess I should have been clearer. I want the assholes in Congress to stop sabotaging the government and start actually doing their job to make it better.
Without a government there would be chaos, not civilization. Government is the entity that is created by a group of people to maintain a civilization and taxes are the price of civilization.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : grammer

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 155 of 187 (799145)
02-07-2017 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by JonF
02-06-2017 12:20 PM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
Again I notice your reply has no connection with the points I made.
Are you in favor of back billing?
He doesn't seem to be trying to answer you.
I don't know what back billing is, could you explain a little more about it, please?
thanks.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
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Tanypteryx
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Message 158 of 187 (799151)
02-07-2017 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by JonF
02-07-2017 7:54 PM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
Back billing (AKA balance billing) is incredibly despicable.
Incredibly despicable indeed. Thanks for the info.
I have been lucky so far and not had that happen. In 2012 I was very ill with a gangrenous gall bladder and septicemia and ended up spending about 3 weeks in the hospital. The bill was enough to cause sticker shock but the insurance paid it all, luckily. Since then, every few months I get letters from the hospital wanting me to make charitable donations to their foundation. It is probably the most profitable business in our area and they want donations? I am about as likely to donate to them as I am to the NFL.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 184 of 187 (820501)
09-21-2017 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by 1.61803
09-21-2017 12:41 PM


Re: The Republicans Try, Try Again
Taq writes:
5. Whatever you do, don't touch my Medicare (without a hint of self awareness or sense of irony).
6. Something, something, "the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down." ~ Congressman Todd Akin (R) aka (NO ABORTIONS FOR YOU) on "legitimate" rape victims.
7. Free stuff, free stuff. We're sick and tired of undeserving people getting free stuff!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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