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Author Topic:   Why did we stop inventing gods?
ringo
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Message 70 of 203 (789478)
08-15-2016 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
08-15-2016 12:41 PM


Re: Growing pains
Phat writes:
Why would God do something that we didnt want Him to do?
God is an excuse for everything we don't like - flood, famine, etc. Religion uses convoluted logic to explain why God's bad deeds are good for us.

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ringo
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Message 84 of 203 (789535)
08-16-2016 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Parasomnium
08-16-2016 6:04 AM


Re: Growing pains
Parasomnium writes:
He is wrong though, because what he doesn't know is that Alice left the room through the window. Still, his belief is more rational than yours because it is based on the evidence available to him, and yours is an irrational choice.
If Alice could leave by the window, somebody else could enter by the window - so both beliefs are equally rational. The window is also evidence which is available to both of you.

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ringo
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Message 87 of 203 (789538)
08-16-2016 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Phat
08-16-2016 12:12 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Phat writes:
...and after public confession the alcohol addiction was (and is) gone.
No it isn't. You yourself are evidence of that. *cough* gambling *cough*
Phat writes:
The difference is that unbelievers try their hardest to be good under their own merits and will, whereas believers are transformed by the renewing of their minds...something an unbeliever won't experience.
The only "renewing of their minds" that believers experience is the belief that they don't need to make an effort any more, that God has given them a get-out-of-addiction-free card. That can make them more likely to relapse, not less.

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ringo
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Message 93 of 203 (789545)
08-16-2016 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
08-16-2016 12:44 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Phat writes:
I have not gambled in 45 days and plan on being #Sober4Life.
Good for you. But you're making my point. Your public confession was a lot longer ago than that and your addiction didn't just go away.
Phat writes:
I can testify that God initiated my recovery....
I can testify that Bigfoot is sitting on my couch. How much is that testimony worth?
Phat writes:
... the same as He did when testing Job.
So you attribute your gambling problem to God testing you? And being fired as God testing you? What a Bastard.

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ringo
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Message 99 of 203 (789551)
08-16-2016 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
08-16-2016 1:09 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Phat writes:
A testimony is only worth as much as the credibility of the author.
So how credible is your testimony when you've been kicking your habit (presumably with God's help) for years?
Phat writes:
I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility.
You're the one who brought up Job. He wasn't responsible for causing his problems but he was responsible for dealing with them. God didn't help him with that.

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ringo
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Message 115 of 203 (789635)
08-17-2016 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
08-16-2016 1:27 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Phat writes:
How did he become rich again?
Do you think he expected to become rich again?

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ringo
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Message 131 of 203 (790948)
09-08-2016 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
09-07-2016 7:17 PM


Re: Human Responsibility vs Gods Responsibility
Phat writes:
Who are we to b*tch at our Potter?
What would we think of a Potter who destroyed every pot He had ever made (thinking of the Flood here, not Job), saving only His favourite pot? Mental illness would occur to us.
There's also a question of ownership. Do you defend the Potter's right to destroy His work in perpetuity? Would you like Henry Ford to come and wreck your car?

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ringo
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Message 140 of 203 (791097)
09-10-2016 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by mike the wiz
09-09-2016 2:51 PM


mike the wiz writes:
Even if people did invent gods, this tells us nothing of His existence for we are only looking at SOURCES. In the same way it would be like me arguing that Darwin was a racist, so we have to deny evolution-theory, which would be absurd, for that would not affect the veracity of a theory. obviously if evolution was true, then it would precede Darwin. Obviously if God does exist, His existence would precede the invention of false gods.
The difference is that the theory of evolution can be tested.
Even if Darwin had been a fictional character and The origin of Species had been a fictional book, the theory of evolution has been thoroughly tested and confirmed.
If the concept of God could be tested, there wouldn't be thousands of competing concepts.

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ringo
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Message 146 of 203 (791132)
09-11-2016 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Phat
09-11-2016 8:01 AM


Re: Big Guy please report to the lab...
Phat writes:
How do we gather evidence for God?
Remember Crashfrog? His test for milk in the fridge was to look in the fridge. If you don't find any, you don't have any.
So, if God is supposed to be everywhere, why can't we find Him anywhere?
Phat writes:
The only evidence we have is that believers claim that God is evident. In other words, belief is our only evidence.
Then why should we believe the Christians' claims? Why not the Hindus or the pastafarians? Clearly the claims are not objective, therefore they are not evidence.
Phat writes:
And you want tests, as if we can ask Him to come down for a moment....
Yes. Of course. Obviously.
A hiding god is no different from a non-existent god.

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ringo
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Message 155 of 203 (791246)
09-13-2016 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Phat
09-12-2016 5:08 PM


Re: The GOD Whom Jesus Markets
Phat writes:
Do you believe that GOD as you understand Him/Her/It is vastly different from the Father God that Jesus marketed..according to the Gospels?
You have to remember that it wasn't Jesus doing the marketing; it was the Gospel writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke John, et al., who were marketing Jesus. The switch from Judaism to Christianity was a switch from marketing a product to marketing the salesman. The brand became more important than the product.

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ringo
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Message 175 of 203 (791535)
09-16-2016 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Phat
09-16-2016 6:34 AM


Re: Big Guy please report to the lab...
Phat writes:
One side wants a Father who rescues us from our problems.
The other side wants us to tough it up as we are all spiritual orphans who need to grow and fix our own problems.
The OTHER other side wants a Father to rescue us from our problems but doesn't want to sit by the side of the road indefinitely waiting for Him to come and fix our flat tire.

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Message 188 of 203 (794668)
11-19-2016 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Phat
11-19-2016 9:55 AM


Re: 1 issue at a time. I have a question for you GIA (based on a sentence of yours)
Phat writes:
When the truth is revealed fully to humanity, the scientific rational mind will be thoroughly blown away.
IF "The Truth" was revealed to humanity, the rational scientific mind would be the first to accept it. True Believers from a thousand different faiths are the ones who would be blown away. Of course, there's always a slim chance that one of those thousand faiths might be right.

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