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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
God is an excuse for everything we don't like - flood, famine, etc. Religion uses convoluted logic to explain why God's bad deeds are good for us.
Why would God do something that we didnt want Him to do?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Parasomnium writes:
If Alice could leave by the window, somebody else could enter by the window - so both beliefs are equally rational. The window is also evidence which is available to both of you.
He is wrong though, because what he doesn't know is that Alice left the room through the window. Still, his belief is more rational than yours because it is based on the evidence available to him, and yours is an irrational choice.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No it isn't. You yourself are evidence of that. *cough* gambling *cough*
...and after public confession the alcohol addiction was (and is) gone. Phat writes:
The only "renewing of their minds" that believers experience is the belief that they don't need to make an effort any more, that God has given them a get-out-of-addiction-free card. That can make them more likely to relapse, not less.
The difference is that unbelievers try their hardest to be good under their own merits and will, whereas believers are transformed by the renewing of their minds...something an unbeliever won't experience.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Good for you. But you're making my point. Your public confession was a lot longer ago than that and your addiction didn't just go away.
I have not gambled in 45 days and plan on being #Sober4Life. Phat writes:
I can testify that Bigfoot is sitting on my couch. How much is that testimony worth?
I can testify that God initiated my recovery.... Phat writes:
So you attribute your gambling problem to God testing you? And being fired as God testing you? What a Bastard.
... the same as He did when testing Job.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So how credible is your testimony when you've been kicking your habit (presumably with God's help) for years?
A testimony is only worth as much as the credibility of the author. Phat writes:
You're the one who brought up Job. He wasn't responsible for causing his problems but he was responsible for dealing with them. God didn't help him with that.
I do not blame god for my gambling problem--it was my addiction and my responsibility.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Do you think he expected to become rich again?
How did he become rich again?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
What would we think of a Potter who destroyed every pot He had ever made (thinking of the Flood here, not Job), saving only His favourite pot? Mental illness would occur to us. Who are we to b*tch at our Potter? There's also a question of ownership. Do you defend the Potter's right to destroy His work in perpetuity? Would you like Henry Ford to come and wreck your car?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mike the wiz writes:
The difference is that the theory of evolution can be tested. Even if people did invent gods, this tells us nothing of His existence for we are only looking at SOURCES. In the same way it would be like me arguing that Darwin was a racist, so we have to deny evolution-theory, which would be absurd, for that would not affect the veracity of a theory. obviously if evolution was true, then it would precede Darwin. Obviously if God does exist, His existence would precede the invention of false gods. Even if Darwin had been a fictional character and The origin of Species had been a fictional book, the theory of evolution has been thoroughly tested and confirmed. If the concept of God could be tested, there wouldn't be thousands of competing concepts.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Remember Crashfrog? His test for milk in the fridge was to look in the fridge. If you don't find any, you don't have any. How do we gather evidence for God? So, if God is supposed to be everywhere, why can't we find Him anywhere?
Phat writes:
Then why should we believe the Christians' claims? Why not the Hindus or the pastafarians? Clearly the claims are not objective, therefore they are not evidence.
The only evidence we have is that believers claim that God is evident. In other words, belief is our only evidence. Phat writes:
Yes. Of course. Obviously. And you want tests, as if we can ask Him to come down for a moment.... A hiding god is no different from a non-existent god.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You have to remember that it wasn't Jesus doing the marketing; it was the Gospel writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke John, et al., who were marketing Jesus. The switch from Judaism to Christianity was a switch from marketing a product to marketing the salesman. The brand became more important than the product.
Do you believe that GOD as you understand Him/Her/It is vastly different from the Father God that Jesus marketed..according to the Gospels?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The OTHER other side wants a Father to rescue us from our problems but doesn't want to sit by the side of the road indefinitely waiting for Him to come and fix our flat tire.
One side wants a Father who rescues us from our problems. The other side wants us to tough it up as we are all spiritual orphans who need to grow and fix our own problems.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
IF "The Truth" was revealed to humanity, the rational scientific mind would be the first to accept it. True Believers from a thousand different faiths are the ones who would be blown away. Of course, there's always a slim chance that one of those thousand faiths might be right.
When the truth is revealed fully to humanity, the scientific rational mind will be thoroughly blown away.
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