LamarkNewAge
(15) Jesus said: When you see him who was not born of woman, fall down upon your faces and worship him; that one is your Father
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The way I interpret this is from the point of view of the more Eastern mystics and their words put into Jesus' mouth.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
To that Jesus, your Father is in you.
This view is bolstered nowadays by science with Jung and Freud's Father Complex.
Father complex - Wikipedia
A bit of trivia for you. Google Michelangelo's creation painting and have a look at where God is. Note that the background is a representation of the right hand hemisphere of our brains. The Egyptians had the same view and notion with their eye iconography.
Gnostic Christianity has a more Eastern view of God than what the West has ended up with.
I can tell you from experience that apotheosis is hard to take and I ended up on my knees when I experience mine.
I would not say any should worship what they find though. Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and we wish to evolve what we find to an even greater state.
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"What did Paul mean here? Is this supernatural?"
Not to me as the Father Complex is our primal man. It is our set of instincts that push us to be the fittest of our species.
"'the Perfect Man'."
This theme is indeed old and many religions accepted as fact that man was God's greatest expression. God to them would have meant nature as indicated by this gnostic saying.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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This that you quoted fits in quite nicely with Gnostic beliefs when you see heaven as here and now.
1 Corinthians 15:45-49
So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
You are born without the Christ , ---as it is known. You were born from dust but when you matures and our true spirit, your Father Complex, manifests itself, you are in a sense born again from your apotheosis.
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"that Jesus appeared on earth in changing human forms, and that He will reappear.[14] That by these "changing human forms"
I pulled this to start me up on Jesus.
Gnostic Christians basically see Jesus as an archetypal good man. When we were Chrestians, before Christianity usurped our writings and incorporated them in their idol worshiping theology, we called Jesus, Jesus the Good, and we named God, God the Good. No names as Gnostic Christians will see all people as being able to reach the Jesus mind within us. We are all Gods, minus the stupid supernatural aspect.
In scriptures, Jesus asked his disciples, who do they say I am?
The old Jewish tradition states that the spirit of their dead prophets will return and be reborn in other Jews. This is the tradition that is spoken of, I think, when people talk about the first Adam and second Adam etc. If Christianity had done a better job of interpreting the myths that they were usurping, much of this would have been clear and they would not have become the idol worshiping supernaturally lost religionists that they have become.
The waters became even muddier when Rome slid their Roman ass kissing Jesus into scriptures.
Jesus is the ultimate phone tag character who went from just a good man archetype to the son of an imaginary supernatural God who had to die to redeem us from the condemnation that the foolish Trinitarians must see as coming from Jesus himself. Too stupid of a scenario for any thinking man.
I must compliment you on your research and hope I have given you something to think about.
If you go into the more Eastern and especially Egyptian theology, you will see that they were into the chakra thinking, our glands, and were well aware of our pineal gland which they thought was the key to access our right hemisphere of our brains.
If you look at the largest sculpture inn the Vatican collection, you will see that it represent the pineal gland.
Some think it is a pine cone but that is a foolish view. To think that the ancients would sculpt a pine cone in that great of a size, showing it's importance, is too foolish for me to contemplate especially when they put a lot of importance on the pineal gland.
Regards
DL
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