First off: Why do you believe a terrorist's wife?
I was wrong, it was Bill Ayers' PARENTS Obama was going to see, not Bill. But they were also Communists. Some things I wouldn't believe, but why wouldn't I believe her calling him a foreign student, seems like it would have been an innocent enough fact at the time. She was proud of him and wouldn't expect the mailman to be in a position to do anything against her interests with the information.
Second: The person he met was never identified as foreign, or Obama.
Except by him. abe: Based on a very convincing confluence of circumstances that show it couldn't have been anybody else, which I discuss below. /abe
Third: It was 30 years ago. You don't remember the faces of random strangers you briefly encountered from 30 years and neither does anybody else. The mailman doesn't even say he knew it was Obama, he just thought it was and he thought that this fellow was the same person as had been spoken of in some previous conversation without any particularly good reason other than, 'he was black'.
Actually, he said very definitely that it was Obama. He certainly knew he was the "foreign student" Mary Ayers had talked to him about because he was going to visit them to thank them for supporting him through school. And the encounter was quite memorable after all, since he said he was going to be President. Such an odd remark would stick in a person's mind, espcially in the context of believing him to be the foreign student he'd heard about, and if I were in his position I would have been running it through my head for quite some time, and such mental rehearsal is how memories come to stick in people's minds for their entire life.
He 'matched the description'. But you don't give your mailman a photorealistic description of somebody you know. At best you'd them as perhaps 'African' of a certain height and build. Hardly the basis for identifying someone later.
As I say above it wasn't hard for him to identify the young foreign student as the one Mary Ayers had told him about because he was going there to thank them. And it would have been his own perception of the young man that he later remembered as looking like Obama. Who else could it be anyway? What other young black man of the right age who knew Bill ayers did become President? Wouldn't you remember that odd "prophecy" yourself under the circumstances? And Obama is known to have associated a great deal with Bill Ayers.
Fourth: The mailman says he spoke to Ayers' wife herself about once or twice a year. Hardly familiar with the family even.
But once a memorable event like this one occurs, your mind puts together all your previous encounters and fixes the circumstances in your memory, as I said. If it hadn't been for the peculiar prophecy it would probably have faded away in days or weeks.
Fifth: There is no verification of any part of the story.
No other direct verification, but there are circumstantial points we know about Obama that are independent of the mailman's testimony, his association with the Ayers family for one thing -- circumstances peculiar to the history of Obama, that would be impossible to fabricate, that his running for President made public. The mailman would naturally have associated these facts with his memory of that strange prophecy in front of the Ayers' house. I think that prophecy set the whole thing in his mind for all those years, caused him to remember the student's looks and all the circumstances that surrounded his meeting him. That's how MY memory works. I've forgotten most of my childhood, but the things I remember got set in memory because of something unusual about them, not necessarily important but unusual, something that caused me to rehearse the incident in my mind over and over.
Sixth: The mailman only remembered that the name was strange, possibly african. Therefore even the alleged foreign student was never identified - never identified and never tied to the person he met later who was also never identified.
See above. The very singular very peculiar circumstances point to Obama, not to just any vague generic foreign student. You have to purge your mind of too many known facts about Obama's history to treat the mailman's memory this way.
Seventh: The mailman could not pin the event down to a single year, clearly it was not a strong memory.
Not at all "clearly." There's no reason why even the most vivid memories have to include the exact time of when they occurred. The time would have to be an important element in the circumstances to be remembered and why should it have been in this case?
I don't need qualifications to be able to make a case about mismatched fonts and that sort of thing which as I recall were the sort of thing that gives away the fakery of some of the documents.
In general I believe the mailman, I believe the documents were faked because of my own study of them even if I don't remember the details, and I believe that the blurb on his book that said he was born in Kenya couldn't possibly have been a mistake, so I have to believe the writer was intimidated into saying that. I also believe the Kenyan grandmother said truthfully that she witnessed his birth but that others around her forced her to deny it. I also remember the photo of that sign that said "Welcome to Kenya, birthplace of Barack Obama." If a few hoaxes are thrown into the mix, that doesn't discredit the stories I find believable. AND, nobody knows who invented the hoaxes. Since the Left would have forged the birth documents, it could have been the Left that forged the school documents to discredit the Right. Or it could have been someone who knew what was on the school documents that tried to make it look official. Nobody knows.
For myself I am convinced by the preponderance of the evidence that he was born in Kenya.
But I've got so many other problems with Obama this one is almost irrelevant. Except I get SO tired of all the bad reasoning that goes into trying to debunk the very convincing evidence.
I'd be happy to let this stand as my Summary Statement.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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