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Tangle
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Message 690 of 1163 (793864)
11-06-2016 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 677 by mindspawn
11-06-2016 1:02 PM


Re: Good suggestion
Ok, just remember that I warned you when you disapear in a huff in a few days just like last time.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 811 of 1163 (794182)
11-11-2016 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 807 by mindspawn
11-11-2016 4:49 AM


Re: Intermediates
Mindspawn writes:
My main dispute with evolutionary theory is the ability for two species with a common ancestor to then ADD unique active coding genes to the genome that can add fitness to that species
Ok.
After 15 years of analysis and experimentation the gene mutation that was responsible for the change in colour of the peppered moth from white to black has been found.
This is a really important conformation of the theory of evolution - it demonstrates not only the process of natural selection but also the role of beneficial, random, genetic mutation.
The colour change wasn't simply the result of gene plasticity, the actual mutation that occurred in an individual has been located and dated (1819 +/- 10). The date puts it exactly where you would expect it - the height of the industrial revolution when everything was soot stained and black.
Famous peppered moth's dark secret revealed - BBC News
Evolution by mutation and selection confirmed. Welcome to the real world, happy to have you.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 821 of 1163 (794195)
11-11-2016 7:52 AM
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11-11-2016 7:14 AM


Re: Intermediates
Right, so you confirm that genetic mutation plus selection combine to cause the evolution of species.
Job done then.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 987 of 1163 (795510)
12-14-2016 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by mindspawn
12-14-2016 6:07 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
There is no evidence, yet the theory of evolution is widely accepted.
There are libraries and museums and laboratories stuffed full of evidence. Waving you hands around doesn't magic it all away. Millions of scientists and 150 years of research and mindspawn alone knows the truth. You creationists sure have some ego.
The world was looking for an excuse to deny God.
That's actually even more rediculous. Apart from the fact that evolution in no way denies god, the world was very happy with its gods. Gods solved all the problems of life, death and suffering for them. Nope religion is in decline in the West because it's being shown to be in error.
Until then creationism was a common/natural concept because God was a natural concept.
It was and is a belief system. Belief systems change as real information about the world is discovered. We don't count angels on pinheads anymore and only the dreadfully deluded believe in the literal truth of their holy books. Religious belief changes along with our new understandings - that's going to annoy those with dogma, but that's just tough.
Now the concept of God is regularly mocked.
Mostly it's the concept of silly religious beliefs and practices that are mocked. And quite rightly, most are objectively barking mad.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 997 of 1163 (795522)
12-14-2016 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 989 by mindspawn
12-14-2016 6:51 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
This is where you are incorrect.
It's incorrect? I just typed "evolution" into google scholar
quote:
About 4,980,000 results (0.07 sec)
That's scholarly, peer reviewd, papers only.
5m erronious papers according to who? Mindspawn, an unqualified creationist whose only reason for taking this disingenous armchair interest is that evolution appears to conflict with a 2,000 year old primitive mythology.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1020 of 1163 (795572)
12-14-2016 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1006 by mindspawn
12-14-2016 1:41 PM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
Please can you explain exactly how many of those 4 980 000 results are actually proving evolution.
Every one of them. Why not actually read one?

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1079 of 1163 (795671)
12-15-2016 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1074 by mindspawn
12-15-2016 5:00 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
All you say about evolution is nice in theory.
Well spotted, it's probably the most establishing, evidenced and complete theory of the natural world ever developed.
My point is that an evolutionary sequence simply has to be convincing.
Another fine point, well made.
The scientific world - and, as it happens, the majority of the religious world - is convinced. It underpins all of biological science. Virtually none of biology would make sense without it.
What is equally convincing is that only those with extreme religious beliefs remain unconvinced. This is not a coincidence. It is not possible to convince you with evidence, you are already convinced that no matter what evidence you see, that it is wrong. It MUST be wrong for you to hold the beliefs that you hold, so you create outragously rediculous scenarios such as fossils hiding in Siberia to explain to yourself, and only yourself, why the theory is wrong.
Creationists are the precedents for the current malaise of 'post truth'. Any old crap story can be invented to justify a ludicrous position. Like you, it's not necessary to hold any hard-earned qualifications and have real knowledge to form an opinion - you just create sciency sounding soundbites, pollute real science and distort and cherry pick real findings. It's a corrupt and corrupting practice, and should your imaginary god exist, he'll reserve a very special place for people like you that lie in his name.
Think on it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1085 of 1163 (795677)
12-15-2016 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1081 by mindspawn
12-15-2016 5:39 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
Please post your proof of evolution.
This sort of garbage is exactly what I mean by 'corrupt'.
There are mountains of evidence, millions of papers written on it, several scientific disciplines created from it, whole tranches of medical developments because of it. Instead of asking for single post on a forum to convince you whilst sat at your computer consulting creationist websites and inventing imaginary scenarios of no scientific value, why don't you do some real, honest work yourself? Study it properly, get a valid qualification, do some research - get your arse off the archair and get some real knowledge.
Ignorance is true bliss.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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