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TrueCreation
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Message 6 of 19 (7908)
03-27-2002 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Joe Meert
03-27-2002 7:03 AM


"JM: Well, to begin with, evolution started two world wars because it teaches we are all animals. Hitler, because he believed in evolution, wiped out countless numbers of jews and tried to conquer the world. Who knows how many scientists were killed in those wars? Evolution has led to abortion (who knows how many brilliant scientists were aborted?). Evolution leads to drug use and promiscuity. How many great scientists blew their minds before producing great works. Make no mistake about it, evolution has done irreparable harm to science....or so they might say "
--Thats the way half the kids at my school look at it unfortunatelly.
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TrueCreation
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Message 9 of 19 (7937)
03-28-2002 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by gene90
03-27-2002 6:49 PM


"Not that I'm surprised TC, but I'm glad that you separate the validity of a concept of the natural world from the way it has been interpreted by people, or in this case, how its detractors think other people interpreted it as instructing them to do bad things ("Evolution made me do it!") and believed it was the cause of some great atrocities.
To their reasoning, the presence of nuclear proliferation would make most of physics empirically wrong and germ warfare would invalidate the field of microbiology.
Sadly, this is not a misconception that just crops up on its own, it is being systematically and shamelessly propagated by leading Creationist organizations. These are the same groups that believe that "Scientific" Creationism should be taught as a "scientific equal" to evolution in public schools, but then these orgs issue articles about evolution being the cause of most of what has gone wrong morally since the nineteenth century."
--Well lets see what have seen concerning Evolution, its effects on the majority of society, and the creationists organizations say about it.
--The first point I would like to make is that there are two paths of missinterpretation. That is that either the teacher will missrepresent the theory, or the person being shown the theory missinterprets it as if it is an alternative to the existance of God, this one by far is extreamly apparent and wide-spread. Both of these prospects very much should be dealt with well. I have had numerous experiences when God or the Bible is brought up in a conversation and someone pops up and says their an Athiest and they don't believe in all of that non-scence. Then wouldn't you know it, thier response to why they are is 'havent you ever heard of Evolution?'. Its quite sad.
--My view on Evolution's effect on society in some ways branches off of the missrepresentation as shown in my previous point. There is a negative drop-off attitude that can be entertained by this interpretation. Examples such as Hitler or other people of that likeness.
--What the creationist organizations have to say about all this, they basically wan't to thrash it many of them, others are a bit less stressful and would rather see it brought down on a more calm ground. As for myself, I haven't met such a conclusive interpretation on the teaching of Evolution, though, currently I havent a problem with it, though the above must greatly be dealt with. I see the debate as a rather entertaining intrest, whether the earth is old or young is rather irrelevant towards salvation. However, of course, I wouldn't mind seeing the Young Earth shown as equally plausable.
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TrueCreation
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Message 12 of 19 (7945)
03-28-2002 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by gene90
03-28-2002 6:15 PM


"A person who would base their opinion of the presence or non-presence of God on evolution knows little of evolution or religion. I'd rather talk to a Creationist than an Atheist with that little justification for their position."
--Exactly, thats the point I was pointing out, personally, I think that that shows that there should be a bit of something to clear that up within the teaching of Evolution.
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TrueCreation
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Message 15 of 19 (7957)
03-29-2002 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Darwin Storm
03-28-2002 7:26 PM


"TC, did you teacher in highschool tell you there was no god because of TOE?"
--No, the listeners will come to the conclusion that their interpretation that Evolution is an alternative toward a God, namely the Biblical one.
"If so, that teacher should be fired."
--I would certainly do so.
"However, in the biology classes I have taken in both highschool and and college, there was never a discussion or opionon of religion brought up in class."
--Wouldn't think there would be, though in my High school there are a couple who do speak up.
"The only thing we discussed in talking about TOE was the evidence for it, its impact and influence on biology, and how those effects have influences on genetics."
--Sounds fun to me.
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TrueCreation
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Message 16 of 19 (7958)
03-29-2002 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dr_Tazimus_maximus
03-28-2002 9:58 PM


"Then this shows that you really do not understand either evolution or basic science in general."
--Absolutely does not, though it does (as I have explained) show how others (mainly within the pre-college age group) have a very limited understanding on the subject.
"Science may be able to disprove certian literal readings of the bible but no field within science can either prove or disprove god (or God)."
--I fully agree (as I also concur with its 'ability' to attempt falsification of 'literal' interpretation biblical reading, though I would beg to say it hasn't been done).
"It falls outside of the perview of science."
--I am glad we have this recognization, at times it seems this is forgotten in debate with my posts since I have been here with various debaters.
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TrueCreation
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Message 18 of 19 (7962)
03-29-2002 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by no2creation
03-29-2002 12:46 AM


"Creationism on the other hand, is too far fetched for me to believe."
--What are the factors creationism is missing to make it as plausable as Evolution theory, try to retain a bit of an ignorant assertion such as 'it doesn't explain anything' or something along those lines, serious specifics if possible.
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