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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
As I see it, anyone who doesn't think our democratic system is being hacked to pieces is just avoiding the evidence. I understand that people want to believe that our voting sets a high standard, but the evidence shows otherwise.
Google scholar search on hacking voting machines has "About 12,900 results" Among them:
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quote: Gerrymandering is also a well known method to rig the voting to benefit a party, and I shouldn't have to explain it to you OR to provide examples of it's use -- especially in republican dominated states where they have pretty well locked up the house of representatives with stacking the deck against democracy. Another is to provide legalish obstacles to letting people vote, from onerous restrictions to outright racism, where the voter photo ID laws are a prime modern example. The reason that we KNOW photo ID laws are not about double voting voter fraud, but about restricting votes is because:
This is voter suppression, pure and simple. And another is providing less voting booth access in certain disfavored districts to discourage people from voting that can't stay in long lines, while favored districts have no line-ups. You must have seen photos of long lines. "Provisional Ballots" are given to people that challenge their registration status, and they are never counted. We see that North Carolina no longer counts as a democracy
quote: Then there are the anomalies uncovered by the Green Party Recount effort ... and the way they were dismissed and cut short ... That should get you started. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Would you say that one party is more likely to misuse such ability more so than the other party ... No, both parties have done as much as possible to gain power rather than represent people. Evidence Hillary v Bernie and Hillary v Trump.
... would you say that willful fraud is part of the human condition in general and is capable within all political ideologies? Curiously I would say it is endemic to the types of people that self-select to run for office, and that are willing to use any means to get there and stay there. I think we would do better with representatives drawn by lottery. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You're taking a different tack then I thought you would after seeing your comments in the The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread. ... Is there any evidence placing the outcome of the election in doubt? Or is this thread just about the hypothetical possibility of stealing a presidential election. Yes there is, but you have to be willing to look for it and you have to be willing to accept that it has occurred. Most people find that latter difficult, because we like to think the US is a model government. There is the evidence of exit polls, which are used to judge accuracy in other countries. There were anomalies during the primaries from exit polls to votes in districts with no paper trail, the same types of machines as in the studies. The two big parties have been doing this for decades. There is evidence of very disparate results from the recounts of paper ballots to machine counts in Michigan and Minnesota. Results that were ignored by the parties in power as they stopped the recounts and certified the machine counts as correct. They obviously were not. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Why can't the major news organizations find this evidence that the outcome of the election is in doubt? Really? You trust the Main Stream Media to report on this? The same media that were incapable of reporting on the Bernie rallies ... that media? Even MSNBC participated in the radio silence black-out of news on Bernie. You can look up the details of how much time they spent "reporting" on the different candidates, and if you don't think they had their hands in the propaganda war to pick our president, you are ignoring the facts. But that's okay, we can blame the Russians, right?
... major news organizations ... Don't report actual news anymore. The #NoDAPL protest has been going on for months, but you wouldn't know that from watching the major news organizations
... or are they part of the conspiracy, like the one where scientists are hiding the fact that evolution is a lie. Actually the major news organizations are part of the "conspiracy" to hide the scientific facts of global climate change, in case you haven't noticed ... because it is corporate propaganda propagation not news.
... Seems like it would be pretty big news involving opportunities for a Pulitzer or two ... You mean like Amy Goodman on Democracy Now should get for her reporting on the #NoDAPL protests even while being threatened with jail time?
No there isn't, but you have to be willing to accept that what you'd like to believe happened didn't really happen. It isn't uncommon for people who buy into conspiracy theories to find this difficult. Let's start with the basics: (1) Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that gerrymandering constitutes election rigging when it is used so that a minority candidate wins? This is old school rigging, but it sets the basic grounds. And it doesn't matter how long it has been done or who is doing it. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Curiously, you didn't answer my question, so I'll repeat it:
(1) Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that gerrymandering constitutes election rigging when it is used so that a minority candidate wins? Unless told otherwise I'll accept that as an "AGREE" response. False dichotomy. I don't trust any news that comes with a message. So far I've found Democracy Now to be the most reliable.
If you don't think the alt-media is up to their elbows in propaganda and fake news, you are ignoring the evidence. Now you get to detail the propaganda and fake news on Democracy Now -- if you want to pursue this rabbit-hole.
Now you're just being a dick. Did you see any of the Main Stream Corporate Media report in depth on what was in the TPP ? Even after Hillary sidled over to Bernie's side on that issue? But I'd rather stay on topic. In terms of the media pushing one candidate over another ("if you don't think they had their hands in the propaganda war to pick our president"):
(2) Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that the Main Stream Corporate Media gave massive free air-time to Trump compared to Hillary? and (3) Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that the Main Stream Corporate Media gave massive free air-time to Hillary compared to Bernie? That data is available if you need a reminder. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : indentsby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Also, people in power want to stay in power or gain more power. There's no conspiracy in this either. Who doesn't know this? Is it considered a 'conspiracy' for humans to breath air? They have the means (hackable vote recording and tabulating machines, etc), they have the motive (retain or gain more power, money) and they have the opportunity (parties in charge of the machines).
And, if I may add to your list, here's info from my two previous posts in May, 2009. I updated them slightly, but think the info they contain is still relative: And I think we can add here Percy's post Message 806 from The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread:
From today's New York Times: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking The Obama administration ejected 35 Russian diplomats it claims were spying and sanctioned Russian's two foremost intelligence agencies. I don't think this solves anything, and I expect Russia will respond with a roughly equivalent number of ejections and sanctions against the US. The New York Times today also reran their December 13th story on the how of the Russian hacking: The Perfect Weapon: How Russian Cyberpower Invaded the U.S. There are three main reasons Trump will be president, and if only two of them had happened the outcome would have been different. But the Democrats ran a weak candidate, the Russian hacking caused a weekly flood of leaks of DNC and Clinton campaign emails, and the FBI director revived the Clinton email server issue in the form of two letters to Congress just a week before the election, the second just two days before election day. It seems unlikely that the Russian hacking swung the election by itself. AbE: Here's some irony from the first link:
quote: Got that? Some of the important evidence of Russian hacking was gathered through the hacking of Russian computers by the US. But hey, we're the victims here. Now I've found it rather humorous to hear people complaining about the Russian hacking affecting the results, while they ignore the hacking done by both parties to affect the results. That's my irony for the day. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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