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ringo
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Message 8 of 31 (796263)
12-27-2016 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
12-26-2016 10:23 AM


Re: Riggers
RAZD writes:
No, both parties have done as much as possible to gain power rather than represent people. Evidence Hillary v Bernie and Hillary v Trump.
I think Hillary, Bernie and Trump are evidence that both parties were trying to lose.
RAZD writes:
I think we would do better with representatives drawn by lottery.
Why would lottery winners be more willing to serve?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
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Message 10 of 31 (796265)
12-27-2016 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Percy
12-27-2016 12:01 PM


Re: Riggers
Percy writes:
As Heinlein once said, only those having to be dragged kicking and screaming into office could be considered qualified.
That's my point. If I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into office, why would I do a good job?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 19 of 31 (796367)
12-29-2016 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by dwise1
12-28-2016 8:03 PM


Re: Riggers
DWise1 writes:
Rather, all such power resided in a dottering old man living all alone on a planet with his many cats. Every once in a while a spaceship would land and some nice person would ask him to sign some papers. He never had any idea what those papers said nor the enormous power he wielded.
In that case, the one who actually had the power was not the one who signed the papers but the one who wrote them. You can bet it was somebody who wanted the job.

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ringo
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Message 20 of 31 (796370)
12-29-2016 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by frako
12-28-2016 11:14 AM


Re: Riggers
frako writes:
... those who want power really should not have it.
That's a cute saying but how would it work in reality?
Suppose I'm selected to be president of the United States. They drag me kicking and screaming into the White House. What reason is there for me to actually DO anything?

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ringo
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Message 26 of 31 (796466)
12-30-2016 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Modulous
12-29-2016 12:56 PM


Re: Riggers
Modulous writes:
ringo writes:
What reason is there for me to actually DO anything?
You'd be the President. There's no need for you to do anything. Naturally, by not doing anything Congress would need, what is it, a 2/3 majority to get anything past your refusal to sign it into law?
Surely we're not talking about just the President. If the Congress was selected by lottery, what reason is there for them to do anything?
It may be true that people who "want power" shouldn't have it but it doesn't follow that people who don't want power should have it.
Instead of fussing about who has power, maybe we should be thinking about changing the nature of "power".

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