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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: Pretty hard to argue with eh? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Tanypteryx writes: I couldn't see any obvious flaws in this article and it has a short list of references at the end. I have found that type of argument to be the most compelling when trying to discuss the topic. The basic science is pretty straightforward and accessible to most scientific laypeople. It really comes down to the simple fact of temperatures increasing as you put more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. It is an inescapable physical fact. In addition to the material in that article, we could also point to changes in the 13C/12C ratio. Most fossil fuel comes from photosynthesizers, and the process of photosynthesis favors the lighter isotope 12C. Plants are rich in 12C compared to the atmosphere around them. Over the last 150 years the amount of 12C has increased, indicating that the cause of the CO2 increase is fossil fuel use (in combination with the 14C data). Another simple fact is historic CO2 values. Ice records from Greenland and Antarctica cover several glacial and interglacial cycles, and they show CO2 bouncing between 175 and 300 ppm. Prior to the industrial revolution we were at about 280 ppm, the normal for the peak of an interglacial period. We are now at 400 ppm. That is 30% higher than at any time in the ice core record for the last million years.
Is it just a coincidence that we see the biggest spike of CO2 in the last 1 million years from a natural process at the same time we are burning gigatons of fossil fuels? It takes more denial than most people have to ignore the rather obvious connection between fossil fuels and record CO2 levels.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is only a problem because you and others look for a problem. If you would only stop searching for things to worry about you could stop worrying.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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jar writes: There is only a problem because you and others look for a problem. If you would only stop searching for things to worry about you could stop worrying.
Similar to the (mythical) ostrich adaptation that allows them to escape detection by predators:
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
There is an uncanny resemblance to Trump in that image.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Alfred E. had the answer.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
What, me worry?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There is an uncanny resemblance to Trump in that image. You mean where the feathers swoop out over the cloaca? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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And the color, and the head.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: This is global climate change folks. It ain't pretty, and it ain't going away. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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RAZD excerpt:
...the temperature near the North Pole will be an astronomical 40-50 degrees warmer-than-normal... Speaking as an old Astrophysics student, this is good, but never-the-less, major hyperbole! - xongsmith, 5.7d
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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First:
quote: And then:
quote: The evidence shows global climate change is occurring. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
RAZD writes: with enough evidence even skepticism will thaw Sadly, not necessarily. "The backfire effect occurs when, in the face of contradictory evidence, established beliefs do not change but actually get stronger. The effect has been demonstrated experimentally in psychological tests, where subjects are given data that either reinforces or goes against their existing biases - and in most cases people can be shown to increase their confidence in their prior position regardless of the evidence they were faced with. In a pessimistic sense, this makes most refutations useless." Backfire effect - RationalWikiJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The problem with this topic as always is that the science just isn't clear enough to prove anything. The guy in the video is very convinced that he's arrived at a scientific conclusion from his studies that proves there is global warming (he's using that term instead of the more equivocal "climate change" which is interesting in itself), and that human activity is the cause of it, and he sketches out the theories his study eliminated which leaves this conclusion. But while I'm sure he's sincere it's basically all just his own assertion, his own conclusions, and there's just no way for a person to assess whether his study really did cover all the possibilities, really did include all the relevant information, really did prove what he says. There are others who sound just as sincere and just as aware of all the variables, who disagree with him about such scientific basics.
So there's global warming. Isn't Planet Earth subject to long-term cycles of warming and cooling according to current theory? Isn't there really just too much input of various kinds to come to any such clear conclusion? And given the horrific political consequences of forcing industrialized nations to toe some invented scientific line, how can anybody be eager to see such a solution to what could turn out to be an imaginary problem or at least a problem that has other causes and other possible soilutions if any? Not that there shouldn't be measures taken to cut down on all kinds of emissions and pollutions, I'm sure there should be, but most recommendations are culture-killers and there just isn't enough scientific evidence to warrant them.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
The problem with this topic as always is that the science just isn't clear enough to prove anything. The guy in the video is very convinced that he's arrived at a scientific conclusion from his studies that proves there is global warming (he's using that term instead of the more equivocal "climate change" which is interesting in itself), and that human activity is the cause of it, and he sketches out the theories his study eliminated which leaves this conclusion. But while I'm sure he's sincere it's basically all just his own assertion, his own conclusions, and there's just no way for a person to assess whether his study really did cover all the possibilities, really did include all the relevant information, really did prove what he says. There are others who sound just as sincere and just as aware of all the variables, who disagree with him about such scientific basics. Yea you could have said that 40 years ago but now there is consnsus in the scietific community that there is climate change and mankind is responsible. Sure there are a few on the fence usually paid by the oil industry but the vast majority of scientists agree so your best bet if you dont know anything on the topic is to listen to them.
Isn't Planet Earth subject to long-term cycles of warming and cooling according to current theory? Um yea linked to co2 increases decreases.
Isn't there really just too much input of various kinds to come to any such clear conclusion? The only thing that fits perfectly is co2 increas increases the temperature of the earth. While other ideas like the sun being responcible do not show any correlation.
And given the horrific political consequences of forcing industrialized nations to toe some invented scientific line, how can anybody be eager to see such a solution to what could turn out to be an imaginary problem or at least a problem that has other causes and other possible soilutions if any? At this point thats like saying why would you force me in to a bucket brigade when there is a chance that the fire 5 m from my house wont reach it.
Not that there shouldn't be measures taken to cut down on all kinds of emissions and pollutions, I'm sure there should be, but most recommendations are culture-killers and there just isn't enough scientific evidence to warrant them. Im on the side that thinks its alredy to late the best we can hope for is a +3 degree rise. And that the following turmoil caused by famine, thirst mass migration .... does not push us in to nuclear war and thus nailing the last nail in humanitys coffin rendering ourselves extinct.
Simply because humanity is to greedy to stop pouring more and more co2 every year in to the atmosphere, well at least until the first grate catastrophe that will be linked to global warming. Im talking about something like a grate drought trough the center of america cutting the WORLDS grain supply by 30% but what will a hungry wolrd do will we finaly act or go to ware with people that have food. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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