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Percy
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Message 31 of 3768 (796909)
01-07-2017 9:39 AM
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01-07-2017 9:26 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
Faith writes:

You did indeed imply that the illegals are immigrants that the country needs. Perhaps it isn't what you meant but that is what you said.

You have this amazing ability to start arguments in zero time. No Faith, I did not imply that or mean that or say that. The larger context is that if immigration were not made so difficult then illegal immigration wouldn't be such a problem.

I'd leave it to Trump's advisors to plan the Rio Grande portion of the wall, or whatever other form of dealing with the illegals they come up with for that area. This debunkery is premature.

The wall is big time in the news right now. Commenting now is completely apropos, especially the financing which we haven't discussed much yet. Apparently we're going to pay for the wall ourselves and then bill Mexico. Good luck with that.

--Percy


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Message 32 of 3768 (796910)
01-07-2017 9:41 AM


How the Wall will be a success
While the Trump Wall is a truly stupid idea when considered for controlling immigration it certainly is a brilliant idea when considered as yet another way to get all the utterly ignorant US citizens to move money from their pockets into the pockets of a select few rich folk. Fortunately the US citizenry is so willfully ignorant that many will applaud getting raped yet again.

But it is still just a small raping.

Tens of millions of dollars will get passed out to the US construction industry that will likely then subcontract the work out to the local workers who will in turn send those wages south to their relatives in Mexico and Central America. This should be one of our more successful foreign aid projects.


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Modulous
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Message 33 of 3768 (796915)
01-07-2017 10:43 AM
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01-06-2017 10:27 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
. And even when the river is on a border there are often boat ramps that also have direct access to the interior of the US over things called roads.

I also heard about some bright young men who have recently developed a 'flying machine'.

Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 34 of 3768 (796917)
01-07-2017 10:52 AM
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01-07-2017 9:26 AM


Re: CRe: The Trump Wall
Faith writes:

China made good use of the concept.


So did Berlin. Of course they needed snipers too.

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Message 35 of 3768 (796922)
01-07-2017 1:44 PM
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01-07-2017 9:26 AM


Re: CRe: The Trump Wall
Faith writes:

China made good use of the concept.

Indeed. They don't seem to have an illegal Mexican immigrant problem at all, do they.


- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 36 of 3768 (796926)
01-07-2017 6:32 PM
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01-07-2017 9:39 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
...especially the financing which we haven't discussed much yet. Apparently we're going to pay for the wall ourselves and then bill Mexico. Good luck with that.

quote:
In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances. The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote.

Source

Trump is starting to remind me of the Sheriff of Nottingham. Is America so great that it has to steal from the poor to pay for the castle?


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Faith
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Message 37 of 3768 (796927)
01-07-2017 6:45 PM


How many poor people are there in this world who might benefit from living in America where they'd get sophisticated care of many kinds? A few billion? How's about we pay to transport that many here then? There won't be room or services for us citizens of course, or any money left, but we should be content that we've benefitted so many others. It's all the same principle. And we can move to Mexico or Africa or India or Tibet.

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jar
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Message 38 of 3768 (796930)
01-07-2017 7:45 PM
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01-07-2017 6:45 PM


Faith writes:

How many poor people are there in this world who might benefit from living in America where they'd get sophisticated care of many kinds?

Actually, care is better in almost every truly developed nation with the single exception of the United States. We are the outlier in that area.

But yes, Jesus did charge us the feed the hungry, heal the sick, shelter the homeless, clothe the naked, protect the weak. What Jesus did not command us to do is make money feeding the hungry, make money healing the sick, make money clothing the naked, make money sheltering the homeless, make money protecting the weak.

The other factor is that immigrants come here not for welfare but rather to work; a fact that seems to have been missed by the Trumpettes.


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Faith
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Message 39 of 3768 (796931)
01-07-2017 7:52 PM
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01-07-2017 7:45 PM


Jesus did not talk to nations, only individuals. He did have common sense, which it is painfully obvious Leftists do not.

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Percy
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Message 40 of 3768 (796943)
01-08-2017 8:38 AM
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01-07-2017 6:45 PM


Faith writes:

How many poor people are there in this world who might benefit from living in America where they'd get sophisticated care of many kinds?

The actual high level goals are twofold:

  • Elimination of the labyrinthine immigration regulations that take years to navigate.

  • Wholesale reduction of the illegal immigrant class so that they can become fully participating members of our society, including on-the-books jobs, health insurance, driver's licenses, the paying of taxes, etc.

The same impulse that caused Americans to pack up their belongings and head west is the same for immigrants: they want to better their situation. Their success will be our success because instead of living in an impoverished underground economy they'll be full participants in our mainstream economy as both contributors and consumers.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 41 of 3768 (796944)
01-08-2017 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
01-07-2017 7:52 PM


Maybe you never came across this document.

quote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It is "We the people" that establish government and determine what it should do.


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dwise1
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Message 42 of 3768 (796949)
01-08-2017 12:38 PM
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01-08-2017 8:49 AM


It is "We the people" that establish government and determine what it should do.

I believe that the Religious Right defines that as secular humanism. At least that's what they defined "secular humanism" to be since the 1980's.


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NoNukes
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Message 43 of 3768 (796953)
01-08-2017 2:05 PM
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01-07-2017 7:52 PM


Jesus did not talk to nations, only individuals.

Is this consistent with your stance on capital punishment?

He did have common sense, which it is painfully obvious Leftists do not.

Oooh. Good one.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Faith
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Message 44 of 3768 (796954)
01-08-2017 2:55 PM
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01-08-2017 2:05 PM


Jesus did not talk to nations, only individuals.

Is this consistent with your stance on capital punishment?

Certainly. Nations must be ruled by Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law on behalf of those who believe in Him. He teaches forgiveness of sinners, He addresses individuals for salvation.

Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament.

He did have common sense, which it is painfully obvious Leftists do not.

Oooh. Good one.

Thank you. I thought it was quite apt.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 45 of 3768 (796955)
01-08-2017 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Percy
01-08-2017 8:38 AM


Aren't you discriminating against the poor Africans and Mongols and Indians who would also seek a better life if they happened to live next to the American border? Isn't discrimination against a class of people against the American dream?

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