Faith writes: Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament.
Except that very few items in the Old Testament are actual laws in our legal system. Take a look at the 10 Commandments. Let's go through them:
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. No law specifying preference for one god over another in our legal system. In fact, our First Amendment specifically indicates that there will never be any mandate of this sort.
2. You shall make no idols. No law against this. In fact, idols can be bought on eBay and Amazon with ease.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. There are some censorship-related laws pertaining to swearing. But nothing specific regarding any religious blasphemy that I am aware of.
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. Not a law. People are free to do whatever they like on Sunday. (Or Saturday depending on your religious views)
5. Honor your father and your mother. No law requiring this. If anything, we have the reverse: there are laws in place to ensure that parents be responsible for their children.
6. You shall not murder. This is an actual law. Although 'murder' is somewhat vague here. If a soldier kills another soldier on the battlefield, is that 'murder'?
7. You shall not commit adultery. No laws against this that I am aware of. Other than expensive divorce proceedings.
8. You shall not steal. Laws against this but with caveats. For example, in a disaster situation, you can technically 'steal' if it is a life and death situation.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. We do have perjury laws in our court system. However, general 'lying' is not specifically targeted except in defamation cases involving libel or slander. If it were, all our politicians would be in jail.
10. You shall not covet. No laws against this. In fact, it's what keeps our economy going.
Pertaining to other 'laws' in the old testament, that is open to interpretation since Christians can't agree on what applies and what doesn't. i.e. gay=bad, blended fabrics=ok.
Except that very few items in the Old Testament are actual laws in our legal system...
Yes, I should have been clearer. I was making a distinction between Old and New Testaments, not saying the OT is the source of our laws (although there was a time when it was the basis of our legal system, not that all of it applied). Anyway the point was that the OT is (basically) Law but Jesus didn't come to give Law but to fulfill the Law and save believers from its condemnation, and Law is necessary to governments, while Jesus talked only to individuals about personal behavior as believers and how to be saved.
Does Meryl Streep's talk at the Golden Globes belong on this thread? I'd guess so since it speaks to his personal qualifications, which was the point of her speech. So I'll answer it in case the answer isn't known here:
Trump makes those strange gestures to mock people in general who tick him off with their comments. I saw a presentation of example after example of him doing that about all kinds of things people said. It's a weird quirk but it was not directed at the man's disability, only to whatever it was he said.
So........you show vids of him openly mocking other people as well.
Nice.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
SO typical. I prove that he wasn't mocking a disabled man for his disability, which is what this whole flap is about, and now you try to get him for mocking anybody at all. Classic case of "moving the goal posts." Really, you should thank me for clearing up that bit of slander promoted by the leftist media. Naa, one way or another we're gonna get Trump. Oopsy can't mock anybody who says stu-pid things. Of course mockery is standard among leftists for dealing with THEIR opponents, it's even promoted as the right kind of response in all the quotes about how you must ridicule opinions you dislike. Double standard anyone? Political correctness continues to keep minds in shackles. I hope if Trump's Presidency accomplishes anything it takes that piece of evil and digs its grave.
SO typical. I prove that he wasn't mocking a disabled man for his disability, which is what this whole flap is about
FWIW, I find your argument that he was not mocking the man for his disability compelling. However, you are still giving Trump a free pass. Let's not forget that Trump's mocking of Cruz, for example included indelicate comments about Mrs. Cruz as well as accusations that Cruz poppa was involved in the Kennedy assassination.
So, no Trump's mocking is very way beyond the norm and I'd be happy to provide you any number of examples.
Nonetheless, I think that's a total of three times I thought you were right during the past week including one time when being right meant admitting to an error. Nice. Again, I'd be happy to list them if you want.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
There are plenty of instances where Trump has gone way too far, that make me cringe too. All the more necessary it seems to me to correct false impressions of such crudenesses.
I thought he apologized for what he said about Cruz's wife. And I think the "locker room" example is also overblown, even possibly completely taken out of context (as my "Humor" thread entry mentions).
I don't really want to get into this subject, I just wanted to correct that one glaring error.
I thought he apologized for what he said about Cruz's wife.
Maybe Trump has done so since, but in September, Cruz decided to forgive Trump without the apology. I was not able to find any indication that Trump has apologized, but you are free to think whatever you want. What we do know is that Cruz did endorse Trump without receiving an apology.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
I'd leave it to Trump's advisors to plan the Rio Grande portion of the wall, or whatever other form of dealing with the illegals they come up with for that area.
I agree. Leave it to the Trump team.
Then we can have a good laugh when they screw up.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
But please let's not go farther down this rabbit trail.
The article you linked to is about Trump's non-apology. After making the allegations about Cruz's wife, Trump later tells the press that he should not have sent the photo. That is not an apology, and of course that admission does not change the facts regarding the statements about Cruz's father.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
I addressed only his remarks about Cruz's wife, not his father, and his saying he shouldn't have sent the photo, whatever that article says about it, others call it an apology. Your having a stricter standard is irrelevant.
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