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nwr
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Message 393 of 892 (794150)
11-10-2016 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by dronestar
11-10-2016 4:02 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine: More dead horse-beating ALERT
You can find many LEGAL opinions on the web condemning the invasion as illegal
Irrelevant. Clinton did not invade. Clinton did not order an invasion.
But thanks for your efforts to foist Trump on us. On the basis of the arguments that you are using, I guess we can hold you legally responsible for every bad decision that Trump makes.
I will not further respond to your posts in this thread.

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Message 399 of 892 (794225)
11-11-2016 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Hyroglyphx
11-11-2016 10:38 AM


Re: The Clinton Machine
But the Queen of Flip Flop, Secretary Clinton??? A woman who would say or do anything as a political expediency? She would slit your grandmother's throat if she thought she could gain something by it.
You must be talking about a different Hillary Clinton. The one that I know about has been reasonably consistent throughout her public career.
The political assassination of Bernie Sanders was despicable and disgusting.
That never happened.
I call bullshit on your entire post.
You, sir, embody the duplicitous and ugly nature that is found within the Democratic Party.
I'm not a Democrat. I despise the party.
If ANY Republican candidate has done the things that she's done, you'd be morally outraged...
If any candidate of any party had done the things that Clinton is falsely accused of doing, I would be outraged.
You should stop listening to the right wing propaganda machine. Or, at least, do some fact checking.
But because it's your darling, you'll happily turn a blind eye while still asserting that you have the moral high ground.
I was never a fan of Hillary. I have wished, all along, that we had a better candidate. I voted for Sanders in the primary.
Since I've been here, you've been a strong opponent to Bush's war machine in the interest of monetary gain. And that's commendable! But you fail to see Hillary's connection in all of it... which she wanted to extend further and further.
Her connection to it is minor and insignificant. Nevertheless, I was not a fan of Hillary. I did consider her too hasty to favor war, and that was one of the reasons that I was never a fan.
What I object to, is the deliberate lies being told about her. The nation is not served well when people vote on the basis of lies. And both you and dronestar have been spreading lies about Hillary.
Her tentacles are all over Libya.... and Syria.... and if elected, do you not understand that we'd be at war with Russia, Iran, North Korea, and possibly China? Do you really not get that?
That's your guess. It is a possibility, and a concern. It is one of the reasons that I would have preferred a better candidate. But it is no excuse for spreading lies about her.
Or are you so busy getting your bunk information from MSNBC, CNN
I don't watch either of those. Actually, I don't watch TV news at all.
The best they had on Trump was that he commented on grabbing a chick's pussy
If that's the only problem that you see with Trump, then you are completely blind with respect to policy questions.

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Message 403 of 892 (794231)
11-11-2016 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Hyroglyphx
11-11-2016 10:38 AM


Re: The Clinton Machine
One more reply.
It occurs to me that maybe you and dronestar don't fully understand what Clinton voted for.
What she voted for:
  • was not a declaration of war;
  • was not an authorization to go to war.
It was merely a resolution of support for the president. It carries the same legal weight as expressing an opinion here at evcforum. That is to say, it carries no legal weight at all. Bush could have gone to war without such a resolution. He could have gone to war if the vote on the resolution had been opposed. The chances are that a strongly opposed vote would have caused Bush to reconsider, but it would not even require that.
As for her role in Syria as secretary of state: she had no ability to commit any troops. She could only make recommendations to the president. Any decision to commit troops would have been the president's.

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nwr
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Message 407 of 892 (794244)
11-12-2016 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Phat
11-12-2016 7:50 AM


Re: President Trump
As a Christian, I ask whether he will ever humble himself and actually try to be a great president or whether his mouth will shoot off like a loose cannon for the next 4 years, causing all sorts of unforeseen international repercussions.
I think we pretty much know the answer to that.
For the rest, I'll wait and see.
I see that Faith, at one of her blogs, is worried that Trump might renege on some of his promises. I guarantee that he will renege on most of them, because they are mostly unachievable. He is apparently already having second thoughts on repealing Obama Care.

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nwr
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Message 785 of 892 (796218)
12-25-2016 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by Tangle
12-25-2016 12:27 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
This is true, but why are the stupid making not just stupid choices, but nasty, evil choices?
That's because they are American conservative Christians, which means that they are worshipers of Jesus Ayn Rand Christ (sometimes known as "the anti-Christ").

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Message 863 of 892 (797069)
01-10-2017 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by Faith
01-10-2017 11:19 AM


Re: Evidence of Russia hacking
Like the entire intelligence community invented WMDs in Iraq to start another war once. I'd rather not. Or maybe there is some other hidden purpose.
I'm pretty sure that's false.
It was Bush and Cheney who invented WMDs. I'm pretty sure that the intelligence community was giving Bush accurate information in private, while giving him that "slam dunk" in public.

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