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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I have not detected a single person in this newsgroup who fails to acknowledge that Trump won the election. ... It is America's loss, but that was put in motion in July.
... Trump won fair and square. ... No. He won because the system is rigged. Because of suppression of minority and liberal votes in republican states. Because of hacked voting machines. Because of election fraud. This has been going on since 2002. North Carolina no longer ranks as a democracy, and the US federal election process is coming in a close 2nd. Just to set the record straight. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Still want to know what you grieved for in the previous elections.
Message 770: Probably true Faith. What did you grieve about Faith? The loss of democracy? How universal was it? Our democracy has been under attack for decades (certainly since the Clinton Reagan years) I think there are several things we will agree on. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Unless you can back this stuff up with evidence, ... See Election Rigging.
... The other side claims that millions of illegal immigrants voted in California with a similar lack of evidence. ... Sorry, not an equivalent claim. That is voter fraud and not election fraud. The level of voter fraud has been investigated and documented and it has been shown to be a red-herring argument by the GOP to hide their election frauds.
... Beyond that, most folks who believe neither claim has any basis in reality see plenty of reasons to be disgusted at the election results ... So we should ALL be interested in revising the system to that we can trust the result. This was Jill Stein's main reason for insisting on the recounts -- to show that our system is broken and unreliable, that it is too susceptible to tinkering by any party in control of the machines.
The primary system appeared to be rigged against Trump during his campaign. ... I did not see much of that, but then I didn't pay much attention to them. I DID see the primary system wasrigged against Bernie in the primaries, by the methods listed in Election Rigging, and I did see massive bias in the media.
... Many folks thought that the electoral system and the democratic leaning states were an insurmountable obstacle for Trump. ... Mostly media pundits living in the Hillary bubble that thought she was the best thing since sliced bread.
... It is almost laughable how quickly that idea disappeared. ... Reality is a harsh mistress.
... Most folks now say that the electoral college is a Republican advantage. Because electors are voted on in the same districts as are gerrymandered for the House of Representatives?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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They just kept that to themselves so they could use it to make Trump dance to their tunes. You've probably seen some of he news items online ... here's a couple:
quote: quote: That adds a golden touch to his visits to Russia. Also Page not found | USUNCUT - US News | Breaking News | Latest News Today Then there are the financial debts he owes ... #notMYpresident Edited by RAZD, : added first quoteby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I want to stress that the information is unconfirmed at this time. See also
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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from Some evidence for voter fraud
Coyote Message 22:
I think a lot of votes were lost to democrats and Clinton because of identity politics. When the main emphasis is on what bathroom someone uses and which of 97 different genders they are, while fundamental issues such as jobs and economics are given little attention, a lot of working people will look for better alternatives. The east/west coast vs. heartland divide seems to reflect this pretty clearly. RAZD Message 23 The Clinton campaign was "Vote for me or you will get Trump" and the working people looked at Clinton and said "nothing for me there, might as well be Trump" ... Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Enjoy Coyote Message 24:
The Clinton campaign was "Vote for me or you will get Trump" and the working people looked at Clinton and said "nothing for me there, might as well be Trump" ... Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Correct. It was vote for a known quantity vs. hope and change! lol Except that Trump was not a known quantity by any possible metric, and Hillary was for maintaining the status quo. Hope and change was killed by 6 years of toxic republican obstruction to anything Obama. In the first 2 years we got the ACA passed, then the do nothing GOP stopped government. Now they are the "undo anything Obama" government, and have not done anything to move this country forward (they never will either). Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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